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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: The unwarranted scrolling assumption
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:11:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lja5ef8g.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C1FE262.3000407@harpegolden.net>

> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:06:26 +0100
> From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> font-lock-mode on:
> 
> redisplay-dont-pause nil (that's nil):
> 
> I counted about 114 visible recenters on one complete scrollthrough 
> (N.B. definitely recenters i.e. cursor restarting from the middle, not 
> just update lags),
> 
> redisplay-dont-pause t (that's t):
> 
> No visible recenters on one complete scrollthough.

After looking at the code and experimenting a bit, I think there's no
other way to prevent recentering on slow machines except set
redisplay-dont-pause non-nil.  (You could also try playing with
redisplay-preemption-period, which basically gives you more fine
granularity than just the ON/OFF you get with redisplay-dont-pause.)

I could perhaps make things a bit better by marking each frame's
windows, or even each window up to date as soon as it is redisplayed.
(By contrast, the current code only does that after _all_ frames were
completely redisplayed without being preempted by input that arrived.)
But that would hardly help in this simple use-case, where there's a
single frame and a single window on that frame.

> redisplay-dont-pause nil (that's nil):
> 
> Only visibly once in 20 whole buffer scrollthroughs (HELLO being a lot 
> shorter than window.c...), though with at least one of those update lags 
> every time.
> 
> redisplay-dont-pause t (that's t):
> 
> 11 times in 20 whole buffer scrollthroughs.

This is due to some other problem.  Do you really see Emacs
recentering the window with HELLO?  What I see is that the current
line is not recentered, but scrolled all the way to the top of the
window.  IOW, the cursor jumps to the first screen line, and then
moves down until it hits the end of the window.  Could it be that you
see this, instead of recentering?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-23 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-15 20:37 The unwarranted scrolling assumption Lennart Borgman
2010-06-15 21:39 ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-15 22:41   ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-15 23:00     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-15 23:24       ` Sean Sieger
2010-06-15 23:46         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-15 23:59           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16  0:21             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-16  0:29             ` Chad Brown
2010-06-16  0:39               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16 13:45                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16  0:55             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-16  1:40               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16  9:36                 ` Kim F. Storm
2010-06-16 17:35                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16 21:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-16 22:17                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17  3:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 18:44                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 19:08                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 19:14                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 19:26                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 19:35                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  7:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 13:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 13:52                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 14:07                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 14:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 14:37                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 14:58                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 15:08                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 15:35                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 16:39                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 17:31                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 19:00                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 21:25                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19  0:18                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19  8:44                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 15:41                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19  8:36                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 14:45                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 15:22                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-18 15:29                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 15:36                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 22:16                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 22:50                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 23:49                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 23:59                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  0:12                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  7:58                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 13:48                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 13:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 13:36                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 14:10                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 14:20                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 16:07                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 17:21                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 18:02                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 18:07                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 18:31                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 19:11                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  7:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 13:30                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-18 14:09                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 14:18                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 15:11                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-18 15:46                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 18:30                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-19  9:51                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 11:36                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 12:54                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 13:00                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 14:03                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 14:11                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 14:16                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 14:20                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 16:05                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 17:22                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 17:54                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 17:58                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 18:30                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 19:10                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 21:18                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 21:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-20 15:24                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-20 18:17                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-21  1:13                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21  2:55                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-21  9:31                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21  9:59                                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-21 10:35                                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 11:09                                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-21 11:21                                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 11:29                                                                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-21 11:41                                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 11:48                                                                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-21 17:01                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-21 17:36                                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 20:13                                                                     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-19 20:26                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 20:30                                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-19 20:38                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-19 20:52                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-19 21:33                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 23:34                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-20 16:54                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-21  1:04                                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 11:38                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-06-21 11:50                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 12:11                                                                                   ` David Engster
2010-06-21 12:23                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 12:45                                                                                       ` David Engster
2010-06-21 14:06                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 16:48                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-22  7:48                                                                                           ` David Engster
2010-06-22 17:53                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-21 16:55                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 21:17                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 21:38                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 22:19                                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-20 18:13                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-20 21:40                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-21  2:59                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-21 22:06                                                                                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-21 23:04                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-21 23:50                                                                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-22 18:27                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-22 20:22                                                                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-23 19:11                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2010-06-23 21:11                                                                                       ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-25 15:15                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-25 19:42                                                                                           ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-25 21:07                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-25 22:28                                                                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-23 22:18                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-25 10:35                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 22:16                                                                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-19 22:58                                                                           ` bug#6471: Arabic display by emacs -Q on HELLO David De La Harpe Golden
2019-08-21 22:57                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-22 14:05                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-23  0:13                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2010-06-19 12:00                                                 ` The unwarranted scrolling assumption Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 19:13                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-19 21:20                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-19 22:16                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-18 13:45                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16 21:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-16 21:31                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-16 21:17                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-16 21:27                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17  2:57                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17  0:54                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-17  1:17                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17  3:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17  3:10                       ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17  3:59                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17  4:55                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 13:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 13:56                               ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 14:20                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 14:32                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 15:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 18:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 18:32                             ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 18:43                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 19:10                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 19:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-17 19:31                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  7:36                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 13:22                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 20:17                                     ` David Engster
2010-06-17 20:39                                       ` Chad Brown
2010-06-17 20:58                                         ` David Engster
2010-06-17 22:30                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-17 22:27                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-18  8:02                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 10:15                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-18 13:25                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18 13:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-18 13:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 15:05                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-18 15:32                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-18 15:15                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-17 19:36                                 ` David Engster
2010-06-17 19:40                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-18  5:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-06-16  8:55               ` David Engster
2010-06-15 23:53         ` Lennart Borgman
2010-06-17 20:35         ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-17 22:33           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-06-18  8:27             ` Juri Linkov
2010-06-18 10:09               ` Juanma Barranquero
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-06-18 19:02 grischka
2010-06-26  3:18 grischka
2010-06-26  5:10 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2010-06-26  8:49   ` Eli Zaretskii

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