From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#6689: 24.0.50; No primary selection Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:33:59 +0300 Message-ID: <83lj92tdp4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4C48B62A.2030709@harpegolden.net> <106E1806DA3141AD99F7CC3D43D62BE8@us.oracle.com> <87wrsnkvr3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <250BB20D91B04A20AE93C6D4C07C2004@us.oracle.com> <83vd86trgq.fsf@gnu.org> <2191175D5DFE4CECA85ECAB584756201@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279899586 28578 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2010 15:39:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, 6689@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 23 17:39:44 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKLg-00086R-CX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:39:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcKJn-0004CJ-5J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41744 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OcKJX-000499-QT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKJT-0008KK-Pc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:31 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKJT-0008KG-Lq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:37:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKI6-0004ie-Aq; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:36:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6689 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 6689-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6689.127989930918116 (code B ref 6689); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 6689) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2010 15:35:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKHF-0004i9-2r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OcKHC-0004hm-Ng for 6689@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:35:08 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L6000400OJ9TY00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 6689@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:34:00 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.61.30]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L6000386OKNK050@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:34:00 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <2191175D5DFE4CECA85ECAB584756201@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:36:02 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:38826 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <6689@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:57:26 -0700 > > I gave concise, clear descriptions - see the original bug reports. Do you want > me to repeat the recipes? There's no need. Are these two bug reports the only ones that consider the behavior on Windows that changed because of this? > Those are the two bugs that I reported. There are several other bug reports, > reported by others, that also have to do with mouse > selection/copying/killing/yanking. It was my impression that the other reports were for platforms other than Windows. If you know about bug reports regarding Windows, please point me to their numbers. > I am relieved to hear people such as yourself agree that this changed behavior > represents a bug and not an intentional change. IMO, it is definitely a bug on Windows. > That was *not* obvious, given some of the rationalization and > discussion of needed "improvements" in this area. The intended improvements are on Posix platforms, which support both the clipboard and the primary/secondary selections. > That was one of the points I made: there was no clear proposal for a specified > change, followed by discussion and agreement. Just some half-discussion and > then some code changes. People who use Posix platforms are acutely aware of the difference between how Emacs used the clipboard and the selections, and how other applications do that. That's why they didn't see any reason to discuss the changes before making them. > The dev process is itself broken in this regard, IMO. We should see > a clear proposal, discuss it, and agree on it, before an attempt is > made to implement it. That's not how the Emacs development works. Core developers don't need any approval for installing changes; they are trusted to not break Emacs for others except in rare cases and then by mistake. How much they want to discuss before installing, is up to them.