From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:38:21 +0200 Message-ID: <83lie9y142.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9uvv6ng.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bof9s7cl.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <874nl0ov8g.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <20635.63115.874182.168553@winooski.ccs.neu.edu> <87liecnelf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <83390k0wgy.fsf@gnu.org> <83sj8jz0rs.fsf@gnu.org> <83txsxykcp.fsf@gnu.org> <509E3607.6070500@gmx.at> <83obj5y94x.fsf@gnu.org> <87390hk7a0.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352558319 330 80.91.229.3 (10 Nov 2012 14:38:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dan@haxney.org, rms@gnu.org, eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 10 15:38:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TXCCs-00018f-KW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:38:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45308 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXCCj-00060l-0Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:38:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38623) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXCCd-00060U-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:38:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXCCa-0006EZ-Rb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:38:31 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:33878) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TXCCa-0006EK-Iz; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 09:38:28 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MDA00B000KLBD00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:38:13 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MDA00BC00NOAK80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:38:13 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87390hk7a0.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154800 Archived-At: > From: Nix > Cc: martin rudalics , rms@gnu.org, dan@haxney.org, > eli@barzilay.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > dmoncayo@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org > Emacs: the only text editor known to get indigestion. > Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:48:55 +0000 > > > Given that the modification > > commands don't require moving point, and C-v/M-v won't either (as this > > is the main justification for the feature we are discussing), what > > will? > > Normally, in the Other Editors, PgUp/PgDn do move point: it's things > like scrolling using the scroll bars that does not. I'm not sure this is > so useful in Emacs -- when was the last time you used the scroll bars? > When was the last time you noticed they existed? I could have had this > feature on for the last six months and never triggered it once. :) So my question above still stands.