From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:28:01 +0300 Message-ID: <83li3je2am.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r4ddo4yp.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1377869301 11887 80.91.229.3 (30 Aug 2013 13:28:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 30 15:28:24 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VFOkO-0002g2-QX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 15:28:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFOkO-0004Ws-76 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59319) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFOk8-0004Vv-Nd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFOk2-0003yH-TS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:28:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:34549) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VFOk2-0003y0-LF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 09:27:58 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MSC00E00ICYAV00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:27:57 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MSC00EWGIQKAQ20@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2013 16:27:57 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93176 Archived-At: > From: "Ludwig, Mark" > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 12:21:16 +0000 > > Consider that EMACS back then was a "real-time display editor" in a > world in which the vast majority of computing was being done on > punch cards! Punch cards were not the issue, where "real-time display editor" nature of Emacs was contrasted with the other editors. The issue was that back then (and many years after that), a garden variety text editor required you to issue what was essentially batch-style editing commands. For example, to replace "FOO" with "BAR" at position 20 of line number 10, you'd say something like L10M20D3IBAR, which means "in line 10, move 20 places, delete 3 characters, then insert "BAR"". And after issuing this command, you'd typically need another command to actually _display_ the line that was edited -- and only that line (i.e., no full-screen display). With such editors, you'd generally need to hold the entire file in your head, rather than see it on the screen.