From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15045: Point jumps inappropriately around time of Semantic lexing Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:28:50 +0300 Message-ID: <83li1upkfx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87pptptk9n.fsf@engster.org> <87eha4t7xz.fsf@engster.org> <8738qksz6l.fsf@engster.org> <837gfvua2r.fsf@gnu.org> <87y58bs9x4.fsf@engster.org> <83zjsrs3k2.fsf@gnu.org> <87pptmsv4z.fsf@engster.org> <83siyira0w.fsf@gnu.org> <87vc3drhuv.fsf@engster.org> <83haexrgjn.fsf@gnu.org> <83ppr7pr6c.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381854618 443 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2013 16:30:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15045@debbugs.gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de, eric@siege-engine.com To: Barry OReilly Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 15 18:30:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7Vi-0001zc-EZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:30:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42931 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7Vh-00017a-OQ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38564) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7Va-000179-1w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7VU-0001P1-59 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37594) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7VU-0001NW-20 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7VT-000254-1c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:30:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15045 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15045-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15045.13818545447896 (code B ref 15045); Tue, 15 Oct 2013 16:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15045) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2013 16:29:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7UV-00023H-Hx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:29:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:61443) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VW7US-00022j-73 for 15045@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 12:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MUP00100XFPL800@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 15045@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:28:52 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MUP00108XS4B080@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 15 Oct 2013 19:28:52 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:79278 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 10:12:32 -0400 > From: Barry OReilly > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , David Engster , 15045@debbugs.gnu.org, > Eric Ludlam > > > The original problem is rare enough > > You're wrong to call it rare. Dave Milter, David Engster, and I have > seen it separately. For functionality so widely and freely used in every corner of Emacs, anything is "rare" in my book, except if it totally screws up Emacs for almost everyone. input-pending-p is all over the place, so if it were not "rare", we would be facing an outcry long ago. > That input-pending-p behaves this way is apparently surprising to > the Elisp developer. Yes, it _is_ surprising. But if every surprising behavior will necessarily lead to change in long entrenched behavior, Emacs will never be stable. > It is even more surprising to the user upon witnessing such a > jarring symptom. I didn't say that problem shouldn't be solved. I didn't say we should let users deal with this. So I find this remark unfair.