From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:36:48 +0300 Message-ID: <83lhfaff0f.fsf@gnu.org> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <831th2h1m3.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435084684 18339 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 18:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org To: Nikolai Weibull Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 20:37:55 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7T4y-0000ny-Rm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:37:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7T4y-0000mK-DS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:37:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7T4v-0000lu-A7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:37:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7T4r-0003eX-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7T4q-0003eK-PL; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:37:44 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQE00B00U4EAI00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:37:00 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQE00B7XUDNAX10@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:37:00 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187438 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:17:49 +0200 > From: Nikolai Weibull > Cc: Brief Busters , Stephen Turnbull , acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu,=20 > =09rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers >=20 > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:43 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > >> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:02:56 +0200 > >> From: Nikolai Weibull > >> Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Eli Zaretskii , acm@muc.de, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, > >> rms@gnu.org, Emacs Developers > >> > >> almost all professionally printed literature uses real quotation > >> marks >=20 > > That's true, but most of them look quite differently from =E2= =80=9C..=E2=80=9D, at > > least with most monospaced fonts. So the issue is not as easy or > > simple as you seem to imply. >=20 > Different from what? Do you mean that most mono-spaced fonts don= =E2=80=99t > have nice-looking quotation marks? They are different from what one sees in "almost all professionally printed literature". Moreover, they look different from what Word inserts as part of its "smart quotes" feature, because its default fonts are not monospaced. > Mine (DejaVu Sans Mono) does No, it doesn't (I'm looking at it). Its curved quotes look very much like tilted straight lines. You want to see curved, compare with Symbola or Lucida Console. > Do you mean that most users of Emacs who read their e-mail in a > mono-spaced font may be confused by their font=E2=80=99s poor rende= ring of > real quotation marks? No, I mean that seeing these quotes in scientific and professional literature won't help, because they are typeset in a very different typeface there.