From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:39:35 +0300 Message-ID: <83lhbsfgzs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150921165211.20434.28114@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83fv27mt7r.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpvfix7i.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv23hr0z.fsf@gnu.org> <5605CB6B.4000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83twqhhf0g.fsf@gnu.org> <5606AC48.7090801@cs.ucla.edu> <83zj09fbzp.fsf@gnu.org> <5606C140.6090309@cs.ucla.edu> <878u7trwlb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5606E995.2000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83si61ezxd.fsf@gnu.org> <2FCA0DAD-831B-4B0A-B948-9F31DE52B6F0@gmail.com> <87twqgrgtv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56077423.6030800@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443339631 4287 80.91.229.3 (27 Sep 2015 07:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 07:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 27 09:40:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg6ZG-0003bM-1O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 09:40:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56433 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg6ZF-0007Bq-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 03:40:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48312) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg6Z3-0007Bg-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 03:40:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg6Z2-0000Vj-DB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 03:40:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:64739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zg6Yy-0000Pe-Je; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 03:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NVB00C00RPLSJ00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:39:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NVB00CIJRXROP20@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:39:30 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <56077423.6030800@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190380 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 21:44:19 -0700 > Cc: emacs-devel > > David Kastrup wrote: > > The default is defined by the compiled language. For C, it is > > essentially 8-bit bytes where the meaning-carrying subset is ASCII. > > That was true for C99 and earlier, but it stopped being true in C11, where the > source-file encoding does matter and where UTF-8 is the only sane default nowadays. I don't see any language to that effect in the C11 Final Draft I have here. AFAICT, non-UTF-8 multibyte sequences are still supported by C11. Can you show the text on which you based the above assertion? Maybe you are talking about encoding of the identifier names. What I had in mind was comments and strings, not identifier names.