From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A better UI than perform-replace Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:12:19 +0200 Message-ID: <83lh9t6qe4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56480D6C.2080408@yandex.ru> <876112xj2i.fsf@gmail.com> <87vb90yum7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87egfl6acs.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4153be56-d881-4e31-a28e-e11f0333bacd@default> <877fldsdqv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1448007174 16928 80.91.229.3 (20 Nov 2015 08:12:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ohwoeowho@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, drew.adams@oracle.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 09:12:45 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzgoG-00078S-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:12:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45865 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzgoF-0005Mm-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49081) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzgoB-0005Mc-G5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:12:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZzgoA-0006Nm-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:12:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:58429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zzgo5-0006LC-Kj; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 03:12:33 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NY300200SXUK000@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:05:27 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NY300342T53BX00@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 10:05:27 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <877fldsdqv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194855 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 02:42:16 +0200 > Cc: emacs-devel , David Kastrup , > Dmitry Gutov , Oleh Krehel , > John Yates > > > And as David points out, even if you do not check `C-h k M-%', > > the prompt itself tells you, over and over, that you can > > "press `?' for help". How someone could claim that the > > behavior is difficult to discover is beyond me. (But people > > are different.) > > If "press `?' for help" is intended for newbies, why do > we display it all the time? FWIW, this "newbie" takes the advantage of '?' all the time, at least with commands I don't use frequently enough to have their options burnt into my muscle memory. Emacs's self-documentation features are not just for newbies, they are for everyone.