From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Missing frame parameters on tty's Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:34:35 +0200 Message-ID: <83lh9bix4k.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20151202221534.GC2318@acm.fritz.box> <83vb8ghtnx.fsf@gnu.org> <20151203083001.GA2136@acm.fritz.box> <83oae7j07y.fsf@gnu.org> <20151203111815.GE2136@acm.fritz.box> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449142537 32033 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2015 11:35:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 03 12:35:25 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4SAW-0007qW-LG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:35:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34726 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4SAW-0003FZ-1w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:35:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49246) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4SAJ-0003CH-TN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:35:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4SAE-0004Ug-W8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:35:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:49522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4SAE-0004Tz-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:35:06 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NYS003005CZAH00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:34:51 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NYS003U55I29N10@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 03 Dec 2015 13:34:51 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <20151203111815.GE2136@acm.fritz.box> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195809 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:18:15 +0000 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > Why single out those two? > > Because they're the two over which a misunderstanding has happened. Doesn't sound like a compelling reason to me. > > Especially since it make no sense at all to have them on TTY frames. > > I think it does. A tty frame's top left corner starts 0 "pixels" from > the top and from the left of the screen. And it cannot start at any other point. What sense does it make to have frame parameters whose values are known in advance, and cannot be changed? > Anyhow, I've been reading the "Window Frame Parameters" chapter in the > Elisp manual, in particular "Position Parameters". The description of > `left' and `top' immediately follow a statement that measurements on a > TTY are in terms of characters or lines. This cannot help but give the > impression `left' and `top' _are_ available on TTYs. Perhaps if we > aren't going to give TTYs these parameters, we should amend that manual > page to say explicitly that TTYs don't have them. Patches to that effect are welcome. Thanks.