From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs bug #23794; sort-line behavior regressed from prior Emacs versions Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:42:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83lh229ywc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83shwa9zmr.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1466271721 2558 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2016 17:42:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rswgnu@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 19:41:56 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFn-0001i9-5G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 19:41:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35865 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFm-00080z-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48973) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFd-0007yE-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFZ-0007xo-L6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFZ-0007xi-I0; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:41 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1903 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bEKFW-0007wo-PC; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:41:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <83shwa9zmr.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:26:52 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204479 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:26:52 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > From: Robert Weiner > > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:01:54 -0400 > > > > I would like this to be considered for marking as a blocking issue on the next release, so that the patch may be > > applied and users do not experience sort-line problems.. A patch was provided which should be compatible > > with any tests available for sort-lines. The patch makes Emacs behave as it did before Emacs outlines moved > > to overlays for outlining and away from \r characters to denote hidden lines, that is sort-lines works on visible > > lines not invisible ones. Please let me know your decision after discussion. Thanks, Bob > > Sorry, but I disagree. A new feature can never block a release. I see that you consider this a regression. But the change you refer to was in Emacs 22.1, released 9 years ago, so we've lived with this long enough to consider your proposal a new feature. I also think that your proposed change goes farther than just restoring that old behavior, because outline and its derivatives are not the only modes that use invisible text.