From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29290: 25.3; bug-gnu-emacs archive web search fails to find matching bugs Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:53:22 +0200 Message-ID: <83lgj8k7z1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86h8txpy47.fsf@gmail.com> <837euslwhc.fsf@gnu.org> <86d14kpxir.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1510685656 3927 195.159.176.226 (14 Nov 2017 18:54:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org To: myglc2 Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 14 19:54:09 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLV-0000X3-IW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:54:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33156 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLd-0000iX-3D for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:54:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34215) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLV-0000hl-8F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:54:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLS-0006tO-5q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:54:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60082) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLS-0006tE-1E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:54:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgLR-0008UK-Q9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:54:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29290 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 29290-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29290.151068561232588 (code B ref 29290); Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:54:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29290) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2017 18:53:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40530 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgKy-0008TY-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:53:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42379) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgKx-0008TN-Gy for 29290@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:53:31 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgKp-0005vX-9E for 29290@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37829) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgKp-0005vJ-5u; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:53:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3950 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eEgKn-0006vU-7N; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 13:53:22 -0500 In-reply-to: <86d14kpxir.fsf@gmail.com> (message from myglc2 on Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:139895 Archived-At: > From: myglc2 > Cc: 29290@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 12:42:36 -0500 > > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi > > > > It is more sophisticated and does find the above bug report. > > I tried the link above. It takes an unnatural amount of effort to find > the bug between the garbled titles and summary lines. "Garbled"? What do you see there, exactly, and what browser did you use to do that? I see nothing garbled, everything is perfectly legible and clear. I wonder what did you do differently and what did you see. After getting to the above search page, I type "server-name" into the "Phrase" field, select "Order by Submission date", in "descending (number or date)" order, change "Max results" to 100, and click "Search". Did you do something else? > > The reasons why the mailman search didn't find the report could be a > > few. One of them could be the way the Subject line was formatted > > (download the bug report in mbox format and see for yourself). Or it > > could be some other snafu. > > But aren't you alarmed it works so poorly? Alarmed? no. Searching for a particular discussion is never easy for me. > > But you are advised to try the above > > search engine before concluding that a bug for some issue doesn't > > exist. > > Sorry, I didn't see that. Where is this advised? In my email. > The first google hit for "emacs bug" is https://debbugs.gnu.org > > So, OK, both put you on debbugs.gnu.org. Now if you search the page for > "emacs" ... > > ... the first hit is the aforementioned mailman search ;-( > > ... the second hit is > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;max-bugs=100;base-order=1;bug-rev=1 > > ... which I can't get to find the bug ;-( I see none of what you see, sorry. It's as if we were in two different worlds. https://debbugs.gnu.org/ has a few links to usage notes, package maintainers, and other not-so relevant stuff, then a few fields to use for searching bugs by their numbers, then "General Search", which I never user, and lastly "Advanced Search", which is what I suggested to click. How come what you see is so different? > So, bottom line, > > 1) if you _don't want_ people to go to mailman search please _remove the > 1st link_ on debbugs.gnu.org > > 2) if you want people to go to the search link you gave me, please _edit > the 2nd link_ debbugs.gnu.org > > 3) If you want average users to use > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/search.cgi to pre-chew bug reports please > to improve its usability. I don't understand what you are talking about, sorry.