From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs,gmane.editors.vim,gmane.editors.nano.general Subject: bug#30331: Neither Emacs nor Vim nor Nano handle ligature literal insertion well Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 10:45:12 +0200 Message-ID: <83lggabgx3.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517647890 28093 195.159.176.226 (3 Feb 2018 08:51:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 08:51:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: vim_use@googlegroups.com, help-nano@gnu.org, 30331@debbugs.gnu.org To: Andrew Pennebaker Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 03 09:51:26 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtXR-000602-JP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 09:51:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59404 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtZS-0001Ui-NY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:53:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59397) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtSX-0004Ko-UE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:46:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtSU-0005KD-LS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:47004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtSU-0005Js-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtSU-0001m2-7t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:46:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 08:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30331 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30331-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30331.15176475416788 (code B ref 30331); Sat, 03 Feb 2018 08:46:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30331) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Feb 2018 08:45:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54901 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtS9-0001lQ-Fx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:45:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40079) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtS7-0001lC-Op for 30331@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:45:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtS1-0004IO-CU for 30331@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:45:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtRw-0004CG-UQ; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:45:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4696 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ehtRv-0001fd-IP; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 03:45:28 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Pennebaker on Fri, 2 Feb 2018 16:31:05 -0600) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:142836 gmane.editors.vim:124919 gmane.editors.nano.general:1229 Archived-At: > From: Andrew Pennebaker > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 16:31:05 -0600 > > I would really like convenient access to ligatures in my word processing software. Unfortunately, none of the > major text editing applications appears to handle ligatures intelligently: Each of Emacs, Vim, Nano, MS Word, > Google Drive, Libre Office, and InDesign type a dumb "ae" when the user presses the a and e keyboard keys, > whereas historically this sequence is typically rendered with the ash æ rune. I don't see how any text-based application could do that automatically, since there are many cases where "ae" needs to be left as literal 2 characters. Just a few random examples: maestro Rafael (Joan) Baez I think the right thing would be to have a special key sequence for inserting ligatures, since the need for that is somewhat rare, certainly more rare than the need to insert the characters literally.