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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Guath <stefan@automata.se>
Cc: 31656@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com
Subject: bug#31656: 26.1; `fill-paragraph' malformats in emacs-lisp-mode
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:52:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lgbyfz3w.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD__r--i5NNqM17N2OAKHW-A2snxfDFeOpej+UpDe_oDXK0Qow@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Guath on Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:36:00 +0200)

> From: Stefan Guath <stefan@automata.se>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:36:00 +0200
> Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 31656@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> The very idea of shadowing the global `fill-column' in the first place breaks the Principle Of Least
> Astonishment

If that is so, then we should have gobs of astonished users since 1995.

> and introduces annoyance and extra work for the user when trying to understand why the
> explicit setting of `fill-column' is not respected.

Documenting the current behavior should go a long way towards helping
users understand that, right?

> So, I guess my basic question is what value `emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column' tries to add?

From my POV, the answer is clear: it allows users to have different
customizable defaults for fill-column in Emacs Lisp and elsewhere.
E.g., in text modes, it is customary to enlarge the default to 79 or
thereabouts, but in Emacs Lisp we generally say that good style is to
make lines in doc strings no wider than 60 characters (see the ELisp
manual).

> To me this entire functionality should either be removed or fixed so that its behavior reflects its current docs. In
> its current state it just malformats elisp files in unexpected ways. Or am I missing something?

I'm sorry, but after so many years we had this working, removing this
functionality is out of the question.  I suggested to fix the docs to
match the implementation; if someone has other suggestions that don't
break existing behavior, or at least let users get back existing
behavior, please describe those suggestions.

Thanks.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-01 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-30 12:50 bug#31656: 26.1; `fill-paragraph' malformats in emacs-lisp-mode Stefan Guath
2018-06-01  9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-01  9:39   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-01 10:36     ` Stefan Guath
2018-06-01 12:52       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-06-01 14:34         ` Stefan Guath
2018-06-01 15:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-01 12:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-02  1:45       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-02  6:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-02 13:07           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-02 13:25             ` martin rudalics
2018-06-02 13:34               ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-02 14:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-03 12:51               ` Stefan Guath
2020-08-22 15:23             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-13  3:06               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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