From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:33:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83lfwuv05b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <20190718184700.GA4886@robertalessi.net> <20190718203203.GG4886@robertalessi.net> <83tvbiv7dp.fsf@gnu.org> <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="247161"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 36717@debbugs.gnu.org To: Robert Alessi Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 11:35:08 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPIC-0012AR-4J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:35:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43428 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPIA-0007Cw-Uo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:35:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPI7-0007Cp-4q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:35:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPI6-00038i-0z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46303) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPI5-00038U-TD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:35:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPI5-0006jF-Pe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:35:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36717 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36717-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36717.156352884825767 (code B ref 36717); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:35:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36717) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 09:34:08 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPHD-0006hW-Ex for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:34:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPHB-0006gx-EB for 36717@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:34:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPH5-0002Vj-HV; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2024 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoPH4-0001kD-Mf; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:33:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <20190719085824.GA3263@robertalessi.net> (message from Robert Alessi on Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163378 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:58:24 +0200 > From: Robert Alessi > Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 36717@debbugs.gnu.org > > I went through almost all the documents that are listed here: > https://unicode.org/versions/ (in reverse chronological order), and > couldn't find any statement of Greek oxia being deprecated in favor of > tonos, contrary to what is claimed here: > https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Greek_Unicode_duplicated_vowels So the basic claim that started this issue is no longer valid? IOW, this assertion: As of 2016, the latest versions of Unicode (as of 2016) have now formally deprecated and removed the vowel+oxia combinations from the Greek extended range, leaving only the vowel+tonos from the basic Greek and Coptic range. is not really accurate? > One question remains—and I wish to express my gratitude to all of you, > Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vowels > with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even if the > glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowels with > tonos with emacs? I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input methods > can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessary. "C-x RET 8" would be the immediate answer, IIUC. But I'm still studying the issue, so maybe I'm missing something.