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> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:57:16 +0200
> From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
> Cc: Marcel Ventosa <mve1@runbox.com>,
>  Thibaut Verron <thibaut.verron@gmail.com>,
>  Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>,
>  emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> Reject using melpa for ideological reasons means that the users won't
> have alternatives for their work and emacs will become like a useless
> tool for a big part of our community; whitout melpa many users will go
> for more "useful" alternatives that really steal their freedom like
> VSCode or Atom... because they need to have the work done any way.

I believe the efforts to start nonGNU ELPA are intended to address
that.