From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, dgutov@yandex.ru, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems Re: [ELPA] New package: vertico
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:11:59 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83lf9q5r7k.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=EdY4Ggt26P-UH+bCqMHg+xk0OXEn10ziWCzRyHtjoaQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 10 Apr 2021 05:56:39 -0500)
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 05:56:39 -0500
> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
>
> > Right away, i.e. even without the user typing anything? that'd produce
> > a huge list of candidates, which would be impractical to display.
>
> This is what e.g. ivy does on M-x, and it works well in practice.
>
> I find it much better to display candidates this way, and I think it
> would be a step forward if Emacs dit this itself OOTB.
For me, it would be a step back. I never use completion for
discovery, I always have a pretty good idea what I'm about to type
when I do.
> (It's also a popular choice elsewhere, try for example entering
> something into the search bar on Google or DuckDuckGo. The same
> paradigm you see there is used in a lot of desktop software.)
Those are for selection, not for completion. I thought we'd already
established that the two are quite different. We should not conflate
them, nor force users use only one of them where both could make
sense, IMO.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-10 11:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-04-05 10:22 [ELPA] New package: vertico Daniel Mendler
2021-04-05 14:27 ` Manuel Uberti
2021-04-05 18:30 ` Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems " T.V Raman
2021-04-05 20:49 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-05 20:55 ` T.V Raman
2021-04-06 6:45 ` Arthur Miller
2021-04-06 15:15 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-06 15:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 12:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 12:23 ` Joost Kremers
2021-04-07 12:56 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 18:55 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 13:05 ` Yuri Khan
2021-04-07 13:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-07 14:15 ` Philip Kaludercic
[not found] ` <87eefm5fzl.fsf@posteo.net>
[not found] ` <3ec7e2e58a106c77370d@heytings.org>
2021-04-07 14:33 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 15:17 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 16:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 16:32 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 16:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 16:57 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 18:19 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 19:13 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 19:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 20:03 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-07 22:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-09 6:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-09 8:53 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-09 17:22 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-09 18:51 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-07 23:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 19:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 18:19 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-07 18:13 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-07 15:24 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 16:10 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 16:49 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 17:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 17:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-07 19:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 19:03 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 14:31 ` T.V Raman
2021-04-07 16:02 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-07 18:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-09 6:40 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-04-10 4:20 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-07 18:49 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 20:33 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-09 11:12 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-07 13:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-07 14:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-07 14:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-07 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-07 22:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 0:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-08 14:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 16:40 ` T.V Raman
2021-04-08 17:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 17:57 ` T.V Raman
2021-04-08 17:21 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-08 18:03 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-08 18:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-09 4:21 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-09 23:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 4:31 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-09 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-09 23:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-09 23:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 1:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 4:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 13:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 21:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-11 22:07 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-11 22:10 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-11 21:52 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 22:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-12 1:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12 4:16 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-14 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 11:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 7:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 12:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 10:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-10 11:11 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-04-11 11:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 12:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 12:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 17:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 18:36 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-11 21:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 13:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 15:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-11 15:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 15:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-11 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:14 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-10 13:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 11:11 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-10 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 13:40 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-11 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-10 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 7:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 14:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 0:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-11 11:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 13:31 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-11 15:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12 9:24 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-12 10:14 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12 10:56 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-12 11:30 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-12 16:28 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-12 18:36 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-12 19:01 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-12 19:21 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-12 23:39 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2021-04-13 2:06 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-11 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 16:14 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-11 17:39 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-11 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-12 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-13 23:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 9:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21 9:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 10:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 12:50 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-21 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 14:25 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-21 15:43 ` Yuri Khan
2021-04-21 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:13 ` Jean Louis
2021-04-21 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:31 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-21 13:14 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-21 14:21 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-04-05 14:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-05 15:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-05 17:55 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-05 18:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-09 21:37 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-09 23:23 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 7:17 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 9:33 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 9:44 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 10:07 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 14:07 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-10 17:27 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 20:58 ` Juri Linkov
2021-04-10 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 9:21 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 9:38 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 10:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-10 10:14 ` Daniel Mendler
2021-04-10 9:38 ` Tassilo Horn
2021-04-10 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
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