From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:55:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83lf396m2k.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <83y27bbs4d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtnr3chk.fsf@gmail.com> <8735pj3amy.fsf@gmail.com> <83r1d3boeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilyfbj9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee93bhma.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36096"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, joaotavora@gmail.com, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 04 13:57:24 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMay-0009Au-8S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 13:57:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47448 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMaw-0007My-Bt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:57:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42884) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMac-0007LL-LU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52505) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMab-0001d9-Sd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMab-0000xG-Md for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:57:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.16333485733608 (code B ref 50959); Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 11:56:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35818 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMZo-0000w8-Pn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:56:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMZk-0000vs-Hu for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:56:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMZe-0000nt-SX; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:56:03 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2298 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXMZY-0006SA-LM; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:55:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:56 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216346 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:56 -0400 > > > > Again, Shorthands are buffer-local textual indirections to symbols. They > > > are not the symbol. This will never change (not with Shorthands): so including > > > shorthands in a list of symbols is misguided. Displaying them in > > > lists of fragments of > > > text to be completed in the buffer is not. > > > I think this is unnecessarily radical POV, and one that will cause > > complaints. > > It seems valid to me _in principle_, but can you think of specific > cases that might cause complaints? I described them: when the user sees an identifier in the buffer, but cannot call up Help for it unless point is on that identifier.