From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 13:49:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83lf2l72sh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> <83fssuany1.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmry8fv4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilxq8dhb.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgr17fwc.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20533"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 22 12:50:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mds7m-0005AY-F7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 12:50:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35084 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mds7k-0003NW-PK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:50:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54942) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mds7e-0003NF-PE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48027) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mds7e-0001Dn-GN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:50:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mds7d-0003vL-UQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:50:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.163489976615013 (code B ref 400); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:50:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Oct 2021 10:49:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mds74-0003u5-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mds72-0003tt-U0 for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:49:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55144) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mds6w-0008LT-Nv; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:49:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3819 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mds6w-0006FV-A0; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 06:49:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:12:22 -0700) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217867 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:12:22 -0700 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > > >> Maybe we are miscommunicating. I mean that if we add a new command > >> `customize-describe-variable', it won't complicate `describe-variable'. > > > > But then you usurp the "C-h v" key binding for another command, and > > the user cannot invoke the original Help command easily? > > That's true. But if the only difference between the original command > and the new one is that the new one gives you a default, whereas tho old > one gives you no default, perhaps this is okay. Which means you _are_ going to extend describe-variable for that. And that is why I suggested to do that only for customize-variable, because in such a buffer offering the variable being customized as the default is a no-brainer.