From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14582: 24.3.50.1; Strange overlay behavior, when window-start is inside an overlay. Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:43:00 +0200 Message-ID: <83leyfq9ff.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83h79i6iw6.fsf@gnu.org> <878rut6hlq.fsf@web.de> <83czk578m0.fsf@gnu.org> <837dab4zmm.fsf@gnu.org> <875ypvcsyf.fsf@web.de> <83k0ea3fci.fsf@gnu.org> <87r18gn1rh.fsf@web.de> <83k0e8z3uo.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0e6xkta.fsf@web.de> <83v8xqvxox.fsf@gnu.org> <87r18ej957.fsf@web.de> <83r18dwnqn.fsf@gnu.org> <875ypor90e.fsf@web.de> <83wni4up6g.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmnvr0l4.fsf@web.de> <83a6ezuu00.fsf@gnu.org> <87wni2ypx7.fsf@web.de> <83tud5ssd4.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkzdj5h3.fsf@web.de> <83fsoosfvn.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsong0ii.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26003"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, esabof@gmail.com, 14582@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 13 12:44:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDIs-0006ev-EN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 12:44:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58114 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDIr-0003QZ-Cr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:44:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDIQ-0003QR-Qb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDIQ-0003ML-0f for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:44:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDIP-0005v1-U3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:44:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14582 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 14582-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14582.164475259322685 (code B ref 14582); Sun, 13 Feb 2022 11:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14582) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2022 11:43:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36714 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDHc-0005to-NO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:43:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40402) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDHa-0005tc-Ih for 14582@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:43:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34276 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDHV-000372-1W; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:43:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UyVoe4iC5MXoCKew20riimQYsc2dahj/CCcYKnJMkeI=; b=pS6fO2P7hIxn w+ibwbozAH5VV0J9JF0MAlTHYWomtBChU52s50Wf0Wxc9DbEjl9ra6h4Gln+lZzyaWPyFI4/39JvH H52KavfrZtqeTy0fok/Qe2PnibAqcwh/V1uUXcY35x68g104WLZnshDtBNfNNyLS5K0qWDJ0EmBXg nxV89a8fcbTjgk0XHVv/d2zUwhiRXfyowk13RMKm38BiDqdPfMr86pAQgq9Y4XX/pi/UNxQVdvpms gClGngPHpILo1PilxxBtYRrVAC8FbAeeJMkl6GAnN4QYbyTzg8cZHh0ALbaLl1pklmIZOjMKOn86G 8MVAdtJ7HHHB09nMycVJ/g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1448 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nJDHU-00082S-Hl; Sun, 13 Feb 2022 06:43:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87fsong0ii.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Sat, 12 Feb 2022 23:53:25 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:226799 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, esabof@gmail.com, 14582@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 23:53:25 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The fix for the problems originally reported here was > > found, and it so far solves all the use cases presented here that > > involve either folding or selective-display. The fix handles the > > potentially confusing display when folding or selective-display > > settings are changed so that the previous window-start point winds up > > being hidden. > > Ok, we have introduced a new variable. So far it is used nowhere in > Emacs, and it's said to not turn it on by default. Nothing has actually > changed. The recipe I had posted behaves the same. Do I miss > something? Please feel free to submit changes to relevant modes and features to use this new variable. I use them only very infrequently, and am not annoyed by the issues that started this bug report, so I'm not a good candidate for suggesting such changes or testing them in Real Life. (I thought as soon as the new variable is demonstrated to be able to solve those issues, the patches to the relevant applications will follow immediately, either by Evgeni or by you.) > BTW, did you ever use folding? I think not as often as I do, else you > would have known the issue we are talking about. My feedback was not > meant to annoy you - I wanted to share my experience as a user. Didn't > know that that's irrelevant. It was hardly perceived as irrelevant: I spent some non-trivial time working on this, which I wouldn't do if I haven't thought this is relevant and worth working on. > > Bottom line: I think this bug should be closed, as the original issues > > were all resolved. If you disagree, I guess I'll let Lars close it in > > about 10 years from now. > > I don't even know what to respond to that. Sadly, it looks like I can never disagree with you without annoying you to the extreme. Happens all the time. What am I doing wrong? Am I not entitled to my own opinions about how things should be done in Emacs?