From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#66780: [PATCH] Improve rectangle-mark-mode when transient-mark-mode is off Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:58:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83lebnc8tn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0b1f5f23-b683-4367-beae-332a8d850d32@vodafonemail.de> <83zg03clik.fsf@gnu.org> <871qdf3trr.fsf@sappc2.fritz.box> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31956"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 66780@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jens Schmidt Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 28 12:59:48 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2h-00088N-Qd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:59:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2T-0001ur-F9; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:59:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2R-0001rV-Lq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2R-0007vq-Do for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:59:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2w-0001tJ-RU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 07:00:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 66780 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 66780-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B66780.16984907547175 (code B ref 66780); Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 66780) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Oct 2023 10:59:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37844 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh2A-0001rd-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:59:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh28-0001rN-N8 for 66780@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:59:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwh1X-0007tb-77; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 06:58:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=DRgbsjhJDlcjX8m0iS0j28EDWFhY5YIVxfRLYUGEmpI=; b=cHPm5xUy5JXT sfCTL73WdWIiJK/U0azxlg3VpRIjxjItnWtOs21B4LXgRi6mzpc3yjSU4xtf1hnDVtLbXrZyxck4m ZK5EOhisPf3TOD0EdTnRd5qXnHHruOyccMlIZl45m9M+4NExKuDFgctM0UBXGFb2csdGVnkrcqNcC zFFL9QC15depW5G1rvDUjBARUfI5Kva+aiaN1Ql//mkqG/01kiFTEANe2rpYvYdv1ajW9buMBdvoT tt0W/gVrAavNUA72siyA8iRvfbv7Rk4A7tjjjMxjG2wftPrSbtO8ynr2A7CBediGKGdnrDX9V0Fnp dbfBI5ENlntuh83IIsLfYA==; In-Reply-To: <871qdf3trr.fsf@sappc2.fritz.box> (message from Jens Schmidt on Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:50:48 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:273426 Archived-At: > From: Jens Schmidt > Cc: 66780@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 12:50:48 +0200 > > Another option would have been to turn off the confusing bits of RMM > when *permanent* TMM is off. I would have preferred that, actually: A > rectangle-mark-mode that *really* only shows the region-rectangle when > permanent TMM is off but leaves all other functionality (kill, yank, C-x > C-x) unchanged. In that case a conditional minor mode lighter would not > be neccessary, either. > > What do you think about that option? It would be a backward-incompatible change, so it has even more disadvantages IMO. > > Why do you think it's important to have this combination prominently > > documented and indicated at run time? Do we have any evidence that it > > is used frequently enough to justify these measures? > > No poll results available. But I guess that users coming from other > editors could prefer > > transient-mark-mode: off > shift-select-mode: on > > since this is closer to their previous experience, where the region > always deactivates itself as soon as you move the (unshifted) cursor. I actually think most users want transient-mark-mode turned ON, since that is closer what other editors do. > Finally, do you also have any objections on fix C, adding the "^" > markers to the interactive specs of the movement commands? Or would > that bit be OK? You never explained why that would be advantageous, nor even what effect will that have.