From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:11:27 +0300 Message-ID: <83k4q4lio0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276333903 18500 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 09:11:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 11:11:41 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONMkf-0000Hm-0E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:11:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49703 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONMke-0008Jt-6u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:11:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35366 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONMkX-0008Jj-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:11:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONMkW-0006qH-0j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:11:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONMkV-0006qA-Pm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:11:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L3W000009IQ2X00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:11:31 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.119.36]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L3W00KGV9J29960@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:11:27 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125788 Archived-At: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GAPPY_SUBJECT > autolearn=no version=3.3.1 > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:12:39 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I made the left/right arrows and their Ctrl-modified siblings move to > > the left resp. right, regardless of the logical buffer order, because > > this is what users of bidirectional scripts expect -- they are used to > > it in every other bidi-aware application out there. > > In other bidi-aware applications, what keys are used to move in logical > order (i.e. what C-f and C-b do now in the trunk)? Most of those I know about don't have movement keys in addition to arrows. > I am still dubious about decoupling the arrow keys and C-f/C-b > keybindings. Can you say why?