* bug#6608: Menu bar not working @ 2010-07-11 8:53 Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 8:56 ` Angelo Graziosi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 8:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 6608 With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04, when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for example, it opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. Ciao, Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 8:53 bug#6608: Menu bar not working Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 8:56 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 8:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bug-gnu-emacs Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: > With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04, > when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for example, it > opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In > this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold > mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... > > Ciao, > Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 8:56 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-11 9:42 ` Angelo Graziosi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-11 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:56:16 +0200 > From: Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> > Cc: > > Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: > > With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04, > > when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for example, it > > opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In > > this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold > > mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. > > I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... I can't imagine how it could be. 6603 is about "C-h f", not about popping the menus. And it is specific to the native w32 build. In any case, 6603 is solved in the repository, so trying the latest trunk should tell. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-11 9:42 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 18:40 ` Jan Djärv 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs Il 11/07/2010 11.26, Eli Zaretskii ha scritto: >> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:56:16 +0200 >> From: Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> >> Cc: >> >> Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: >>> With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04, >>> when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for example, it >>> opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In >>> this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold >>> mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. >> >> I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... > > I can't imagine how it could be. 6603 is about "C-h f", not about > popping the menus. And it is specific to the native w32 build. > > In any case, 6603 is solved in the repository, so trying the latest > trunk should tell. Same problem with rev. 100776. I thought *that* because clicking on an item of menu bar ('Options', for example), *pop-ups* the menu only for a fraction of a second, and because it is very recent. It does not happen with the build I did 20100708: there, clicking, opens (pop-ups) 'Options', for example, and it remains opened up to one chooses something ('Case-insensitive search', for example), or clicks in some other place. Ciao, Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 9:42 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 18:40 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-11 22:23 ` Chong Yidong 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-11 18:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 or 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, architecture (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the compiler? I assume you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have Kubuntu 10.04, but regular Ubuntu 10.04. Now, the Motif menus have problems though, different for Lesstif and Openmotif. Openmotif ones behave like you describe, Lesstif doesn't but they don't close right. I don't know if this is related. Jan D. Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-11 11.42: > Il 11/07/2010 11.26, Eli Zaretskii ha scritto: >>> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:56:16 +0200 >>> From: Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> >>> Cc: >>> >>> Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: >>>> With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04, >>>> when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for example, it >>>> opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In >>>> this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold >>>> mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. >>> >>> I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... >> >> I can't imagine how it could be. 6603 is about "C-h f", not about >> popping the menus. And it is specific to the native w32 build. >> >> In any case, 6603 is solved in the repository, so trying the latest >> trunk should tell. > > Same problem with rev. 100776. I thought *that* because clicking on an item of > menu bar ('Options', for example), *pop-ups* the menu only for a fraction of a > second, and because it is very recent. It does not happen with the build I did > 20100708: there, clicking, opens (pop-ups) 'Options', for example, and it > remains opened up to one chooses something ('Case-insensitive search', for > example), or clicks in some other place. > > Ciao, > Angelo. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 18:40 ` Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-11 22:23 ` Chong Yidong 2010-07-12 7:06 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Chong Yidong @ 2010-07-11 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: 6608, Angelo Graziosi Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes: > I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 > or 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, > architecture (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the > compiler? I assume you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have > Kubuntu 10.04, but regular Ubuntu 10.04. I see the problem on the emacs-23 branch as well as the trunk. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.4 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-07-11 on furry Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 configured using `configure 'CC=gcc' 'CFLAGS=-g'' It does not happen on every click, but a majority of them. Reverting the following change seems to remove the problem: 2010-07-03 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> * xmenu.c (x_activate_menubar): Send Press/Release for Gtk+ to avoid grab on just Press (Bug#6499). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 22:23 ` Chong Yidong @ 2010-07-12 7:06 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-12 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-12 7:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Chong Yidong; +Cc: 6608, Angelo Graziosi Chong Yidong skrev 2010-07-12 00.23: > Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes: > >> I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 >> or 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, >> architecture (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the >> compiler? I assume you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have >> Kubuntu 10.04, but regular Ubuntu 10.04. > > I see the problem on the emacs-23 branch as well as the trunk. > > In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.4 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) > of 2010-07-11 on furry > Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 > configured using `configure 'CC=gcc' 'CFLAGS=-g'' > > It does not happen on every click, but a majority of them. > Reverting the following change seems to remove the problem: > > 2010-07-03 Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > * xmenu.c (x_activate_menubar): Send Press/Release for Gtk+ to avoid > grab on just Press (Bug#6499). I'll revert that then, but it can't be that change that is responsible for the same beahviour in Motif menu bars. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-12 7:06 ` Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-12 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-12 17:03 ` Jan Djärv [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-12 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: cyd, 6608, angelo.graziosi > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:06:49 +0200 > From: Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > Cc: 6608@debbugs.gnu.org, Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> > > > 2010-07-03 Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > > > * xmenu.c (x_activate_menubar): Send Press/Release for Gtk+ to avoid > > grab on just Press (Bug#6499). > > I'll revert that then, but it can't be that change that is responsible for the > same beahviour in Motif menu bars. AFAIR, Emacs built with Motif always behaved like that. Caveat: last time I tried a Motif Emacs was several years ago. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-12 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-12 17:03 ` Jan Djärv 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-12 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: cyd, 6608, angelo.graziosi I just tried an older version om the emacs-23 branch. It sometimes don't open the menu, but sometimes it does (50/50). I must try on an even older version. Anyway, if it did behave that way before, I'd say that was a bug. Not that people seem to be using Motif much anymore, the build for Motif on the trunk was broken for several months until I tried to build it last week. Jan D. Eli Zaretskii skrev 2010-07-12 09.58: > > AFAIR, Emacs built with Motif always behaved like that. Caveat: last > time I tried a Motif Emacs was several years ago. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
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* bug#6608: Menu bar not working [found breaking revision!] [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> @ 2010-07-12 10:34 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 17:04 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-14 10:17 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-12 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bug-gnu-emacs Il 12/07/2010 12.33, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: > Il 12/07/2010 9.06, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >> >> >> Chong Yidong skrev 2010-07-12 00.23: >>> Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> writes: >>> >>>> I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 >>>> or 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, >>>> architecture (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the >>>> compiler? I assume you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have >>>> Kubuntu 10.04, but regular Ubuntu 10.04. >>> >>> I see the problem on the emacs-23 branch as well as the trunk. >>> >>> In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.4 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) >>> of 2010-07-11 on furry >>> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version >>> 11.0.10706000 >>> configured using `configure 'CC=gcc' 'CFLAGS=-g'' >>> >>> It does not happen on every click, but a majority of them. >>> Reverting the following change seems to remove the problem: >>> >>> 2010-07-03 Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> >>> >>> * xmenu.c (x_activate_menubar): Send Press/Release for Gtk+ to avoid >>> grab on just Press (Bug#6499). >> >> I'll revert that then, but it can't be that change that is responsible >> for the same beahviour in Motif menu bars. > > NOT, NOT yet! Please read! > > With a binary search I have found the breaking revision. It is rev.100770. > > Indeed r100769 works as expected, r100700 NOT. Reverting the change to > xmenu.c, i.e. applying this patch > > =========================== > --- emacs-r100770/src/xmenu.c 2010-07-12 10:45:19.000000000 +0200 > +++ emacs-r100769/src/xmenu.c 2010-07-12 10:20:51.000000000 +0200 > @@ -676,14 +676,6 @@ > set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); > BLOCK_INPUT; > #ifdef USE_GTK > - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. > - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. > - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. > - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; > - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; > XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > popup_activated_flag = 1; > =========================== > > fix the problem for me! > > As you can see, it regards GTK build (ifdef USE_GTK). Perhaps I > understand the motivations for the changes in xmenu.c, but they break > something. It is definitely a bug (better: a regression) for me. Since > Emacs 22.0.50, I never seen the problem I described nor in all my GTK > builds. > > Ciao, > Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working [found breaking revision!] [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> 2010-07-12 10:34 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [found breaking revision!] Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-12 17:04 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-14 10:17 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 2 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-12 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 6608 You are talking about the same change :-). But a fix for both this bug and 6499 is needed. I'm on it but it may take a few days. Jan D. Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-12 12.33: > Il 12/07/2010 9.06, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >> >> >> Chong Yidong skrev 2010-07-12 00.23: >>> It does not happen on every click, but a majority of them. >>> Reverting the following change seems to remove the problem: >>> >>> 2010-07-03 Jan Djärv<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> >>> >>> * xmenu.c (x_activate_menubar): Send Press/Release for Gtk+ to avoid >>> grab on just Press (Bug#6499). >> >> I'll revert that then, but it can't be that change that is responsible >> for the same beahviour in Motif menu bars. > > NOT, NOT yet! Please read! > > With a binary search I have found the breaking revision. It is rev.100770. > > Indeed r100769 works as expected, r100700 NOT. Reverting the change to > xmenu.c, i.e. applying this patch > > =========================== > --- emacs-r100770/src/xmenu.c 2010-07-12 10:45:19.000000000 +0200 > +++ emacs-r100769/src/xmenu.c 2010-07-12 10:20:51.000000000 +0200 > @@ -676,14 +676,6 @@ > set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); > BLOCK_INPUT; > #ifdef USE_GTK > - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. > - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. > - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. > - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; > - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; > XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > popup_activated_flag = 1; > =========================== > > fix the problem for me! > > As you can see, it regards GTK build (ifdef USE_GTK). Perhaps I understand the > motivations for the changes in xmenu.c, but they break something. It is > definitely a bug (better: a regression) for me. Since Emacs 22.0.50, I never > seen the problem I described nor in all my GTK builds. > > Ciao, > Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> 2010-07-12 10:34 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [found breaking revision!] Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 17:04 ` Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-14 10:17 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-14 21:58 ` Angelo Graziosi 2 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-14 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Chong Yidong, 6608-done I have checked in a fix in the emacs-23 branch. It will propagate to the trunk shortly. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-14 10:17 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-14 21:58 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-14 23:38 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [NOT FIXED] Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-15 6:09 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 0 siblings, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-14 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: Chong Yidong, bug-gnu-emacs Il 14/07/2010 12.17, Jan Djärv ha scritto: > I have checked in a fix in the emacs-23 branch. It will propagate to > the trunk shortly. > > Jan D. Sorry, but it is NOT YET FIXED in rev.100823 :(. Indeed I still have to apply this patch: ============================================= --- xmenu.c.orig 2010-07-13 00:22:58.674000000 +0200 +++ xmenu.c 2010-07-13 00:27:38.750000000 +0200 @@ -671,14 +671,6 @@ set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); BLOCK_INPUT; #ifdef USE_GTK - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); popup_activated_flag = 1; ============================================= Should we reopen this BUG? Ciao, Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working [NOT FIXED] 2010-07-14 21:58 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-14 23:38 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-15 6:09 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-14 23:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: Chong Yidong, bug-gnu-emacs I have bootstrapped (GTK builds) rev.100823-trunk on GNU/Linux Kubuntu (10.04) and on Cygwin, and the BUG is still there. Definitively, NOT FIXED, for me. Ciao, Angelo. Il 14/07/2010 23.58, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: > Il 14/07/2010 12.17, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >> I have checked in a fix in the emacs-23 branch. It will propagate to >> the trunk shortly. >> >> Jan D. > > Sorry, but it is NOT YET FIXED in rev.100823 :(. > > Indeed I still have to apply this patch: > > ============================================= > --- xmenu.c.orig 2010-07-13 00:22:58.674000000 +0200 > +++ xmenu.c 2010-07-13 00:27:38.750000000 +0200 > @@ -671,14 +671,6 @@ > set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); > BLOCK_INPUT; > #ifdef USE_GTK > - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. > - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. > - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. > - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; > - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; > XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > popup_activated_flag = 1; > ============================================= > > Should we reopen this BUG? > > Ciao, > Angelo. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-14 21:58 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-14 23:38 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [NOT FIXED] Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-15 6:09 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-15 12:53 ` Angelo Graziosi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-15 6:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: Chong Yidong, bug-gnu-emacs As it clearly says below: "the emacs-23 branch". It has not even propagated to the trunk yet, it is a manual operation and it isn't done every day. Jan D. Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-14 23.58: > Il 14/07/2010 12.17, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >> I have checked in a fix in the emacs-23 branch. It will propagate to >> the trunk shortly. >> >> Jan D. > > Sorry, but it is NOT YET FIXED in rev.100823 :(. > > Indeed I still have to apply this patch: > > ============================================= > --- xmenu.c.orig 2010-07-13 00:22:58.674000000 +0200 > +++ xmenu.c 2010-07-13 00:27:38.750000000 +0200 > @@ -671,14 +671,6 @@ > set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); > BLOCK_INPUT; > #ifdef USE_GTK > - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. > - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. > - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. > - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; > - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; > XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, > f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); > popup_activated_flag = 1; > ============================================= > > Should we reopen this BUG? > > Ciao, > Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-15 6:09 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-15 12:53 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-15 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-15 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: Chong Yidong, bug-gnu-emacs Il 15/07/2010 8.09, Jan Djärv ha scritto: > As it clearly says below: "the emacs-23 branch". It has not even > propagated to the trunk yet, it is a manual operation and it isn't done > every day. Hmm... This means that #6608 should not be closed as 'FIXED' if we can't verify this on trunk. Just for completeness, rev.100823 contains a new 'xmenu.c' file which, then, is not yet good for us :-). Ciao, Angelo. > > Jan D. > > > Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-14 23.58: >> Il 14/07/2010 12.17, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >>> I have checked in a fix in the emacs-23 branch. It will propagate to >>> the trunk shortly. >>> >>> Jan D. >> >> Sorry, but it is NOT YET FIXED in rev.100823 :(. >> >> Indeed I still have to apply this patch: >> >> ============================================= >> --- xmenu.c.orig 2010-07-13 00:22:58.674000000 +0200 >> +++ xmenu.c 2010-07-13 00:27:38.750000000 +0200 >> @@ -671,14 +671,6 @@ >> set_frame_menubar (f, 0, 1); >> BLOCK_INPUT; >> #ifdef USE_GTK >> - /* If we click outside any menu item, the menu bar still grabs. >> - So we send Press and the Release. If outside, grab is released. >> - If on a menu item, it is popped up normally. >> - PutBack is like a stack, so we put back in reverse order. */ >> - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonRelease; >> - XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, >> - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); >> - f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event->type = ButtonPress; >> XPutBackEvent (f->output_data.x->display_info->display, >> f->output_data.x->saved_menu_event); >> popup_activated_flag = 1; >> ============================================= >> >> Should we reopen this BUG? >> >> Ciao, >> Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-15 12:53 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-15 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-15 13:34 ` Angelo Graziosi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 21+ messages in thread From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-15 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: cyd, bug-gnu-emacs > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:53:51 +0200 > From: Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> > Cc: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>, bug-gnu-emacs <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> > > Il 15/07/2010 8.09, Jan Djärv ha scritto: > > As it clearly says below: "the emacs-23 branch". It has not even > > propagated to the trunk yet, it is a manual operation and it isn't done > > every day. > > Hmm... This means that #6608 should not be closed as 'FIXED' if we can't > verify this on trunk. ??? Why? The problem is fixed on a branch. No one says it must only be fixed on the trunk If you want it with the trunk now and cannot wait for the merge, you can merge it yourself, manually. If it later turns out that the fix does not solve the problem, the bug could be reopened. Please don't increase the burden of those who fix bugs more than it is already. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-15 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-07-15 13:34 ` Angelo Graziosi 0 siblings, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-15 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: cyd, bug-gnu-emacs Il 15/07/2010 15.04, Eli Zaretskii ha scritto: >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:53:51 +0200 >> From: Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> >> Cc: Chong Yidong<cyd@stupidchicken.com>, bug-gnu-emacs<bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> >> >> Il 15/07/2010 8.09, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >>> As it clearly says below: "the emacs-23 branch". It has not even >>> propagated to the trunk yet, it is a manual operation and it isn't done >>> every day. >> >> Hmm... This means that #6608 should not be closed as 'FIXED' if we can't >> verify this on trunk. > > ??? Why? The problem is fixed on a branch. No one says it must only > be fixed on the trunk If you want it with the trunk now and cannot > wait for the merge, you can merge it yourself, manually. If it later > turns out that the fix does not solve the problem, the bug could be > reopened. > > Please don't increase the burden of those who fix bugs more than it is > already. Eli, as you can see, I wrote also: > Just for completeness, rev.100823 contains a new 'xmenu.c' file which, then, is not yet good for us :-). So, one expected the fix was propagated to trunk... and the request to non close the bug was only by precaution, just to avoid the overload 'of those who fix bugs'. Evidently, my mental processes are too simple. Thanks for your work and *Sorry* for the noise. Ciao, Angelo. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 18:40 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-11 22:23 ` Chong Yidong @ 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 0:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 7:08 ` Jan Djärv 1 sibling, 2 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-11 23:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs Il 11/07/2010 20.40, Jan Djärv ha scritto: > I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 or Strange... Have you done a clean checkout and a clean bootstrap? For me it happens also with rev.100787 on GNU/Linux Kubuntu 8.04: ------------------------------------------------------------ GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2010-07-12 on ubuntu $ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-28-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 18 12:02:15 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux $ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: i486-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,treelang --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2 --program-suffix=-4.2 --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-objc-gc --enable-mpfr --enable-targets=all --enable-checking=release --build=i486-linux-gnu --host=i486-linux-gnu --target=i486-linux-gnu Thread model: posix gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc -g -O2 -Wold-style-definition -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign --------------------------------------------------------------------- GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04 --------------------------------------------------------------------- GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-07-11 $ uname -a Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 08:03:28 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux $ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: x86_64-linux-gnu Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.4 --program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-nls --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-plugin --enable-objc-gc --disable-werror --with-arch-32=i486 --with-tune=generic --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu Thread model: posix gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc -g -O2 -Wold-style-definition -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign --------------------------------------------------------------------- $ emacs -Q & Now, to open an item (File, Edit, Options etc.) on menu bar, one MUST click on it (with mouse-1) and HOLD mouse-1 pressed, otherwise the menu does not remains opened, but it is closed in a fraction of a second. Perhaps, one of these changes is the cause: ---------------------------- 2010-07-09 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar): Must realize menubar_widget to get the correct size for Motif. (free_frame_menubar): Call x_set_window_size to update frame size. * xfns.c (x_window): Set borderWidth to 0 for pane and EmacsFrame. Frame size calculation is wrong otherwise. ---------------------------- 2010-07-08 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar, create_and_show_popup_menu) (create_and_show_dialog): Don't call apply_systemfont_to_(menu|dialog) unless USE_LUCID. ---------------------------- [...] ---------------------------- Ciao, Angelo. > 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, architecture > (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the compiler? I assume > you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have Kubuntu 10.04, but > regular Ubuntu 10.04. > > Now, the Motif menus have problems though, different for Lesstif and > Openmotif. Openmotif ones behave like you describe, Lesstif doesn't but > they don't close right. I don't know if this is related. > > Jan D. > > > Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-11 11.42: >> Il 11/07/2010 11.26, Eli Zaretskii ha scritto: >>>> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:56:16 +0200 >>>> From: Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> >>>> Cc: >>>> >>>> Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: >>>>> With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu >>>>> 10.04, >>>>> when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for >>>>> example, it >>>>> opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In >>>>> this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold >>>>> mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. >>>> >>>> I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... >>> >>> I can't imagine how it could be. 6603 is about "C-h f", not about >>> popping the menus. And it is specific to the native w32 build. >>> >>> In any case, 6603 is solved in the repository, so trying the latest >>> trunk should tell. >> >> Same problem with rev. 100776. I thought *that* because clicking on an >> item of >> menu bar ('Options', for example), *pop-ups* the menu only for a >> fraction of a >> second, and because it is very recent. It does not happen with the >> build I did >> 20100708: there, clicking, opens (pop-ups) 'Options', for example, and it >> remains opened up to one chooses something ('Case-insensitive search', >> for >> example), or clicks in some other place. >> >> Ciao, >> Angelo. >> >> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-12 0:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 7:08 ` Jan Djärv 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-12 0:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs For completeness, same problem on Cygwin: ------------------------------------------------------------ GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-cygwin, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) of 2010-07-12 $ uname -a CYGWIN_NT-5.1 1.7.5(0.225/5/3) 2010-04-12 19:07 i686 Cygwin $ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: i686-pc-cygwin Configured with: /gnu/gcc/releases/packaging/4.3.4-3/gcc4-4.3.4-3/src/gcc-4.3.4/configure --srcdir=/gnu/gcc/releases/packaging/4.3.4-3/gcc4-4.3.4-3/src/gcc-4.3.4 --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --libexecdir=/usr/lib --datadir=/usr/share --localstatedir=/var --sysconfdir=/etc --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --datadir=/usr/share --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man -v --with-gmp=/usr --with-mpfr=/usr --enable-bootstrap --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --with-slibdir=/usr/bin --libexecdir=/usr/lib --enable-static --enable-shared --enable-shared-libgcc --disable-__cxa_atexit --with-gnu-ld --with-gnu-as --with-dwarf2 --disable-sjlj-exceptions --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc,obj-c++ --disable-symvers --enable-libjava --program-suffix=-4 --enable-libgomp --enable-libssp --enable-libada --enable-threads=posix --with-arch=i686 --with-tune=generic --enable-libgcj-sublibs CC=gcc-4 CXX=g++-4 CC_FOR_TARGET=gcc-4 CXX_FOR_TARGET=g++-4 GNATMAKE_FOR_TARGET=gnatmake GNATBIND_FOR_TARGET=gnatbind AS=/opt/gcc-tools/bin/as.exe AS_FOR_TARGET=/opt/gcc-tools/bin/as.exe LD=/opt/gcc-tools/bin/ld.exe LD_FOR_TARGET=/opt/gcc-tools/bin/ld.exe --with-ecj-jar=/usr/share/java/ecj.jar Thread model: posix gcc version 4.3.4 20090804 (release) 1 (GCC) What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc -g -O2 -Wold-style-definition -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign ------------------------------------------------------------ Ciao, Angelo. Il 12/07/2010 1.13, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: > Il 11/07/2010 20.40, Jan Djärv ha scritto: >> I can for the life of me not reproduce this, neither on trunk, 100771 or > > Strange... Have you done a clean checkout and a clean bootstrap? > > For me it happens also with rev.100787 on > > GNU/Linux Kubuntu 8.04: > ------------------------------------------------------------ > GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of > 2010-07-12 on ubuntu > > $ uname -a > Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-28-generic #1 SMP Fri Jun 18 12:02:15 UTC 2010 i686 > GNU/Linux > > $ gcc -v > Using built-in specs. > Target: i486-linux-gnu > Configured with: ../src/configure -v > --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,treelang --prefix=/usr > --enable-shared --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib > --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --enable-nls > --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.2 --program-suffix=-4.2 > --enable-clocale=gnu --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-objc-gc > --enable-mpfr --enable-targets=all --enable-checking=release > --build=i486-linux-gnu --host=i486-linux-gnu --target=i486-linux-gnu > Thread model: posix > gcc version 4.2.4 (Ubuntu 4.2.4-1ubuntu4) > > What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc -g -O2 > -Wold-style-definition -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > GNU/Linux Kubuntu 10.04 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1) > of 2010-07-11 > > $ uname -a > Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-23-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Fri Jun 11 08:03:28 UTC > 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux > > $ gcc -v > Using built-in specs. > Target: x86_64-linux-gnu > Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu > 4.4.3-4ubuntu5' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.4/README.Bugs > --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++ --prefix=/usr > --enable-shared --enable-multiarch --enable-linker-build-id > --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext > --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.4 > --program-suffix=-4.4 --enable-nls --enable-clocale=gnu > --enable-libstdcxx-debug --enable-plugin --enable-objc-gc > --disable-werror --with-arch-32=i486 --with-tune=generic > --enable-checking=release --build=x86_64-linux-gnu > --host=x86_64-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-linux-gnu > Thread model: posix > gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) > > > What compiler should emacs be built with? gcc -g -O2 > -Wold-style-definition -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > $ emacs -Q & > > Now, to open an item (File, Edit, Options etc.) on menu bar, one MUST > click on it (with mouse-1) and HOLD mouse-1 pressed, otherwise the menu > does not remains opened, but it is closed in a fraction of a second. > > Perhaps, one of these changes is the cause: > > ---------------------------- > 2010-07-09 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar): Must realize menubar_widget to get the > correct size for Motif. > (free_frame_menubar): Call x_set_window_size to update frame size. > > * xfns.c (x_window): Set borderWidth to 0 for pane and > EmacsFrame. Frame size calculation is wrong otherwise. > ---------------------------- > 2010-07-08 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar, create_and_show_popup_menu) > (create_and_show_dialog): Don't call apply_systemfont_to_(menu|dialog) > unless USE_LUCID. > ---------------------------- > [...] > ---------------------------- > > Ciao, > Angelo. > >> 100776. Please give some more info, like compiler version, architecture >> (32 or 64-bit?), Gtk+ version? Optimise flags to the compiler? I assume >> you can repeat this with emacs -Q? I don't have Kubuntu 10.04, but >> regular Ubuntu 10.04. >> >> Now, the Motif menus have problems though, different for Lesstif and >> Openmotif. Openmotif ones behave like you describe, Lesstif doesn't but >> they don't close right. I don't know if this is related. >> >> Jan D. >> >> >> Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-11 11.42: >>> Il 11/07/2010 11.26, Eli Zaretskii ha scritto: >>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:56:16 +0200 >>>>> From: Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it> >>>>> Cc: >>>>> >>>>> Il 11/07/2010 10.53, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto: >>>>>> With Emacs 24 trunk rev. 100771, GTK build, on GNU/Linux Kubuntu >>>>>> 10.04, >>>>>> when I click (mouse-1) on an item of menu bar, 'Options' for >>>>>> example, it >>>>>> opens only for a fraction of a second then is immediately closed. In >>>>>> this way it is difficult to work wit menu bar items: one should hold >>>>>> mouse-1 pressed and move the mouse, and this is very uncomfortable. >>>>> >>>>> I would ask if this is related to BUG #6603... >>>> >>>> I can't imagine how it could be. 6603 is about "C-h f", not about >>>> popping the menus. And it is specific to the native w32 build. >>>> >>>> In any case, 6603 is solved in the repository, so trying the latest >>>> trunk should tell. >>> >>> Same problem with rev. 100776. I thought *that* because clicking on an >>> item of >>> menu bar ('Options', for example), *pop-ups* the menu only for a >>> fraction of a >>> second, and because it is very recent. It does not happen with the >>> build I did >>> 20100708: there, clicking, opens (pop-ups) 'Options', for example, >>> and it >>> remains opened up to one chooses something ('Case-insensitive search', >>> for >>> example), or clicks in some other place. >>> >>> Ciao, >>> Angelo. >>> >>> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
* bug#6608: Menu bar not working 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 0:13 ` Angelo Graziosi @ 2010-07-12 7:08 ` Jan Djärv 1 sibling, 0 replies; 21+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2010-07-12 7:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: bug-gnu-emacs Thanks for the details. Angelo Graziosi skrev 2010-07-12 01.13: > > $ emacs -Q & > > Now, to open an item (File, Edit, Options etc.) on menu bar, one MUST click on > it (with mouse-1) and HOLD mouse-1 pressed, otherwise the menu does not > remains opened, but it is closed in a fraction of a second. > > Perhaps, one of these changes is the cause: > > ---------------------------- > 2010-07-09 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar): Must realize menubar_widget to get the > correct size for Motif. > (free_frame_menubar): Call x_set_window_size to update frame size. > > * xfns.c (x_window): Set borderWidth to 0 for pane and > EmacsFrame. Frame size calculation is wrong otherwise. > ---------------------------- > 2010-07-08 Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> > > * xmenu.c (set_frame_menubar, create_and_show_popup_menu) > (create_and_show_dialog): Don't call apply_systemfont_to_(menu|dialog) > unless USE_LUCID. No, that cant be it. These are all #ifdef USE_LUCID or USE_MOTIF changes. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 21+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2010-07-15 13:34 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 21+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2010-07-11 8:53 bug#6608: Menu bar not working Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 8:56 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-11 9:42 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 18:40 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-11 22:23 ` Chong Yidong 2010-07-12 7:06 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-12 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-12 17:03 ` Jan Djärv [not found] ` <4C3AEF7D.8060605@alice.it> 2010-07-12 10:34 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [found breaking revision!] Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 17:04 ` Jan Djärv 2010-07-14 10:17 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 2010-07-14 21:58 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-14 23:38 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working [NOT FIXED] Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-15 6:09 ` bug#6608: Menu bar not working Jan Djärv 2010-07-15 12:53 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-15 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii 2010-07-15 13:34 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-11 23:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 0:13 ` Angelo Graziosi 2010-07-12 7:08 ` Jan Djärv
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