From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs pretest 24.0.90 Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:55:30 +0200 Message-ID: <83k4892rul.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <32607388.post@talk.nabble.com> <83hb3kf1hv.fsf@gnu.org> <32615869.post@talk.nabble.com> <32638171.post@talk.nabble.com> <83aa96434r.fsf@gnu.org> <32639893.post@talk.nabble.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318496143 24907 80.91.229.12 (13 Oct 2011 08:55:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 08:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: nabil-82 Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 13 10:55:39 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1REH4k-0001ei-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:55:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52362 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REH4k-00076o-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:55:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55939) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REH4e-00076H-98 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:55:36 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REH4d-0006iq-4l for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:55:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:48673) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1REH4c-0006ij-RL for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 04:55:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSZ00D00Y3FQF00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:55:29 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.17.178]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSZ00DUKY4GQ700@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:55:29 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <32639893.post@talk.nabble.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145108 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:58:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: nabil-82 > > > "Eli Zaretskii"> > > 1, 2, 3, etc. are the so-called "European Numbers", and they are always > > displayed left to right, even in > a right-to-left paragraph. > I have the same "problem" if I use the eastern-arab-digits. Yes. Again, the UBA mandates that. European numbers and Arabic numbers (what you call eastern-arab-digits) behave almost the same as far as the UBA is concerned. There are differences between them, but they are very minor. > You have the same behavior by hebrew. But in Hebrew this is expected: numbers are always displayed left-to-right, no matter if the paragraph is L2R or R2L. > And moving the cursor is confusing. It makes the jumps by the begin > and end of every number. Cursor motion in Emacs is in logical order. I know that some people find this confusing, but at least some bidi-aware applications out there do the same. It should be possible (although not trivial) to add visual-order cursor motion to Emacs, but logical-order movement is a must, and so it was implemented first.