From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop-down menus, popup menus, and popup dialogs supported on TTYs Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:24:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83k3hjq7do.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r4brr7jk.fsf@gnu.org> <20131012.094942.227388769228804.yamato@redhat.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381562688 13295 80.91.229.3 (12 Oct 2013 07:24:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 07:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dmoncayo@gmail.com To: Masatake YAMATO Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 12 09:24:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUtZ9-0004E2-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:24:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57267 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUtZ9-0001WJ-Dt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 03:24:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44626) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUtZ2-0001W9-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 03:24:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUtYu-0003o6-PI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 03:24:40 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:37663) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUtYu-0003n8-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 03:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MUJ00400OKBJW00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:24:30 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MUJ004YPOKT5S90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 12 Oct 2013 10:24:30 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <20131012.094942.227388769228804.yamato@redhat.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164130 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:49:42 +0900 (JST) > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Masatake YAMATO > > What we (you and I) want is Gregor Zattler suggested at [1]. However, > I didn't installed it to the official tree because, it is not my patch > and the expect behavior of on-demand drop-down menu is not discussed > enough. As far as reading your post you may have much detailed but > important requests about the behavior. Indeed, no one responded to Gregor's suggestion, wrt whether this should be the default Emacs behavior. > Eli, in my interpretation, you don't object to introduce on-demand > drop-down menu. However, you yourself doen't want it. Right? I always run with the menu bar enabled, so I wouldn't know what are the expectations of people who do otherwise. I don't object to dropping menus by F10 even if the menu bar is not shown, provided it is done for GUI sessions as well, for consistency, not just for text-mode sessions. Note that, at least for the TTY case, this _requires_ to enable menu-bar-mode first, and disable it after the user selects a menu item.