From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: dancol@dancol.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Unibyte characters, strings, and buffers
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:22:37 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k3bacs02.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ha6hngak.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 01:03:15 +0900
> Cc: dancol@dancol.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>
> > AFAIU, copyright protects only the form, not the ideas. Ideas can
> > be described and discussed at any level of detail, because
> > implementation of those same ideas by another person will never,
> > except by improbable accident, be so close to the original as to be
> > suspected of copying.
>
> Unfortunately, many cases that some observers believe involve
> independent invention in fact were resolved in favor of the plaintiff
> on the basis that the appearance was sufficiently similar, and the
> defendent couldn't prove non-copying. Your "probability" argument
> doesn't hold up.
Please show your references for that. IANAL, but just by reading
related stuff on the Internet, I arrive to the opposite conclusion.
For example, here are citations from the last part of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure,_sequence_and_organization,
which seem to uphold my understanding and contradict yours:
Competitors may create programs that provide essentially the same
functionality as a protected program as long as they do not copy the
code. The trend has been for courts to say that even if there are
non-literal SSO similarities, there must be proof of copying. Some
relevant court decisions allow for reverse-engineering to discover
ideas that are not subject to copyright within a protected
program. The ideas can be implemented in a competing program as long
as the developers do not copy the original expression. With a clean
room design approach one team of engineers derives a functional
specification from the original code, and then a second team uses
that specification to design and built the new code.
[...]
The judge [in the Oracle v Google case] asked for [both Google and
Oracle] to comment on a ruling by the European Court of Justice in a
similar case that found "Neither the functionality of a computer
program nor the programming language and the format of data files
used in a computer program in order to exploit certain of its
functions constitute a form of expression. Accordingly, they do not
enjoy copyright protection." On 31 May 2012 the judge ruled that "So
long as the specific code used to implement a method is different,
anyone is free under the Copyright Act to write his or her own code
to carry out exactly the same function or specification of any
methods used in the Java API."
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-03-31 15:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-03-26 19:04 Buffer-local variables affect general-purpose functions Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-26 19:32 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-26 20:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-26 21:50 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-27 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-27 18:55 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-27 14:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-27 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-27 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-28 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 7:46 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-28 8:18 ` Unibyte characters, strings and buffers Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 18:42 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-28 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 19:21 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-29 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 18:57 ` Paul Eggert
2014-03-29 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 20:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-29 19:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-28 14:12 ` Buffer-local variables affect general-purpose functions Stefan Monnier
2014-03-28 3:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-28 8:51 ` Unibyte characters, strings, and buffers Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 10:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-28 10:58 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-28 11:22 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-28 11:34 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-28 11:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-28 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 17:50 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-28 18:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 19:25 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 7:23 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 8:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 8:40 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-28 20:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-29 9:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 9:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 11:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 11:30 ` Andreas Schwab
[not found] ` <83ha6hduzz.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-03-29 14:30 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 10:42 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 11:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 13:15 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 10:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 11:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 11:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 16:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 15:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 15:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 16:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 17:00 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-30 2:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-30 9:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-30 12:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-30 14:25 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-30 15:05 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-30 15:39 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 17:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-30 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-03-30 3:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-30 15:13 ` Richard Stallman
2014-03-29 15:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 16:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 17:06 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-29 17:01 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 17:08 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-29 17:18 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-29 17:33 ` Nathan Trapuzzano
2014-03-30 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2014-03-30 8:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2014-03-30 15:12 ` Richard Stallman
2014-03-29 17:16 ` David Kastrup
2014-03-28 18:45 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-03-28 19:35 ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-29 11:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-29 11:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-29 16:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-31 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-04-01 3:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-04-01 7:42 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-01 9:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-04-01 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-01 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-02 4:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-04-02 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-03 10:59 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-03 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-03 16:26 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-03 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-03 20:03 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-04 0:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-04-04 8:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-04 7:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-04-04 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2014-04-03 13:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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