From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:11:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83k2x2ys1b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <5535974D.9050207@cs.ucla.edu> <5535C7F3.7020107@cs.ucla.edu> <83618p5y9w.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbgp49ve.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6x45x5.fsf@gnu.org> <5536ACB3.9040707@yandex.ru> <83lhhk4phe.fsf@gnu.org> <55394E30.8040307@yandex.ru> <83oamezk77.fsf@gnu.org> <4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429855945 29377 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2015 06:12:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 08:12:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqP-0002aD-WA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:12:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42963 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqO-0000oE-Sc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:12:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42140) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqL-0000o5-IA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqI-0008Qc-6I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48457) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqI-0008QR-3y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWqH-0002c5-JU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:12:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20385 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20385-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20385.142985589510007 (code B ref 20385); Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20385) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2015 06:11:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWpq-0002bK-OL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:52600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YlWpn-0002b5-BD for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:11:32 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NNA00700RD3GB00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:02:36 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NNA005HORGCDE20@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:02:36 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101968 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu > > > > Who are those people, and why do they want that? > > > > Those who follow Markus Kuhn's advice, read here: > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html > > ...where the *only* argument given is, again, "it looked rather ugly". > That is the only "why do they want that" that we have heard, so far. You are missing the point: this paper wants those "rather ugly" characters to disappear from text content, and not everybody out there uses Emacs for editing and reading that. So an Emacs-only solution that just _shows_ the nice characters, leaving the underlying text with `..' is not what that paper wants, or preaches for. > And of course Mr. Kuhn is not specifically talking about an environment > such as Emacs, where you do more with text than just read it. He doesn't talk about Emacs at all. He's talking about the world at large. People who want to follow him want the old quoting characters to never be used at all for quoting purposes.