From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:30:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83k2m3uob7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87io1xwq1e.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87vb5wvzfz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87io1wt4cc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <8737syoima.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <871t8iu277.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y4apfpr6.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87wpq9qwia.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87k2m7qse0.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2mqhnl.fsf@wanadoo.es> <878u2jpy0t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <834md7wdtg.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9h7ur4e.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455737458 23398 80.91.229.3 (17 Feb 2016 19:30:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 17 20:30:54 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7oH-0005B7-Di for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:30:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60921 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7oG-0003Mj-Hq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:30:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44219) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7oB-0003MV-J3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:30:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7o8-0000eK-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:30:43 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59148) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7o7-0000eD-M8; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:30:40 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4823 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aW7o7-0007Jo-0U; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:30:39 -0500 In-reply-to: <87h9h7ur4e.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (message from Achim Gratz on Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:09 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:200092 Archived-At: > From: Achim Gratz > Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:30:09 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> The general opinion is also that char-folding is nonetheless useful to > >> many users, despite the fact that it will generate incorrect results in > >> some languages. The only question that needs to be answered right now is > >> whether the feature will be turned on or off by default. And on that > >> point, the tendency seems to be to have it off by default, with the > >> ability to toggle it within an i-search. > > > > Actually, my counts indicate that more people want it on by default > > than off. > > Well, if you're already counting, I don't want it on by default. I'm counting because that's what we all wanted: a poll, or some approximation of it. How else can a poll be summarized, if the numbers of those for and against are not known? > it must be switchable on the spot, when and where I need it. It is, please see the documentation. You can turn it on and off for a particular search (during the search), and you can do that for the next searches. > Allow me to make a general remark towards the trend lately to "let's > switch on every newfangled feature by default because it can be switched > off via customization". There's no such trend, AFAIK.