From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#8180: 24.0.50; verbose, confusing y-or-n-p prompts in `find-file-no-select' Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 21:14:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83k2jdmyr1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <435FEA4267C54CB2B558397723E571FE@us.oracle.com> <87lh3tzml6.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462126606 17290 80.91.229.3 (1 May 2016 18:16:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 18:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 8180@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 01 20:16:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1awvv1-0006vB-E3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 20:16:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33859 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvuu-0007zX-Bf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:16:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvuj-0007m5-Rc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:16:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvuX-0006cg-J7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:16:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:48627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvuX-0006aj-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvuU-0000WR-28 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 18:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 8180 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 8180-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B8180.146212651031541 (code B ref 8180); Sun, 01 May 2016 18:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 8180) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 May 2016 18:15:10 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60964 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvtb-00089P-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:15:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55233) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1awvtX-000839-0L for 8180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:15:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvtJ-0006GF-4S for 8180@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:14:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56639) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1awvtJ-0006Fh-1C; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:14:49 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:2793 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1awvtC-0002YV-Mr; Sun, 01 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400 In-reply-to: <87lh3tzml6.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 01 May 2016 19:59:01 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117534 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Sun, 01 May 2016 19:59:01 +0200 > Cc: 8180@debbugs.gnu.org > > > "The file maybe-a-very-long-file-name.jpg is already visited literally, > > meaning no coding system decoding, format conversion, or local variables. > > You have asked to visit it normally, > > but Emacs can only visit a file in one way at a time. > > > > Do you want to revisit the file normally now? (y or n) " > > > > That is _ridiculously_ long and confusing. It is horribly user > > unfriendly. `find-file-noselect' is now filled to the gills with such > > gobbledygook prompts, each more twisted and verbose than the next. > > I don't think it's gobbledygook. You only get a prompt like that if > you've previously visited a file literally, and then you probably know > what that is, because just about the only way to get such a buffer is by > using the `M-x find-file-literally' command. The prompt used to be just "Save file and revisit non-literally? " but it was enhanced (by Richard, no less), to make it more explicit and clear. > So I don't see anything to fix here. Closing. I agree.