From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:06:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83k2gwi5qr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> <577D42BB.1020500@cs.ucla.edu> <87oa694rfw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fcxlbay.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1d2wg5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg75jk5h.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1cb6p0.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467987198 3199 80.91.229.3 (8 Jul 2016 14:13:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 14:13:18 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 08 16:13:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWWn-0004rC-Rp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:13:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45836 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWWm-000766-QY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47285) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWQf-0001gU-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:06:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWQa-0006vc-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:06:52 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:47363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWQa-0006vU-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:06:48 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:3344 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bLWQY-0007Xe-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 10:06:46 -0400 In-reply-to: <87lh1cb6p0.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:27:55 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205435 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:27:55 -0400 > > EZ> All the other projects I > EZ> participate in make it harder, and yet no one complains or thinks they > EZ> are hard on contributors. > > I think there is a confirmation bias there: people tend to believe the > feedback that confirms their existing views and discount the opposite. I think you underestimate my abilities to avoid from such fallacies. It's almost an offense to say that. > That piece doesn't exist, but I'm willing to bet that developing it is > *much less* work than the man-hours that will be spent crafting the > ChangeLog format over the coming years. Actually, writing ChangeLog entries takes a negligible fraction of my time. I can almost do that while taking a nap.