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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 17:19:15 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k2gtfue4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871t32ilm0.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net)

> From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net
> Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,  23926@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:48:23 -0400
> 
> > Of course, I do.  Maybe you don't realize how many times Emacs
> > evaluates the value of a defcustom, but I do.
> 
> What about making Emacs evaluate it less? e.g. replace occurences of
> (eval (car (get var 'standard-value))) with
> 
> (or (get var 'original-value)
>     (let ((val (eval (car (get var 'standard-value)))))
>       (put var 'original-value val)
>       val))

What will that do to the likes of custom-reevaluate-setting?

FWIW, I wouldn't try making any such changes in this area.  The number
of evaluations and the precise triggers for evaluating a defcustom is
a fragile setup, and I'd hate breaking it.  Certainly not for a
marginal use case such as the one in this report.  In effect, whoever
uses current-time-string as a defcustom's value tells Emacs that the
value is not important, because the programmer has no idea when in the
process of building and restarting Emacs will the value be taken.  Why
does it make sense to rock the boat in this sensitive area for such
use cases?





  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-10 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]     ` <<8337nihpdw.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:59       ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-pure-expression> gives confusing results Drew Adams
2016-07-09 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 20:48           ` npostavs
2016-07-10 14:19             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
     [not found]           ` <<871t32ilm0.fsf@users.sourceforge.net>
     [not found]             ` <<83k2gtfue4.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-10 17:18               ` Drew Adams
2016-07-11 18:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<<<<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<<<<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<<443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<<8337nihpdw.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<<c0dd88c2-51ef-4f4f-964c-f0254db970f7@default>
     [not found]         ` <<<83zipqg3e3.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<ff33c2cc-337a-433b-a87a-0ea1814311d2@default>
     [not found]             ` <<83bn24c8io.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-12  0:53               ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:09   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 14:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]       ` <<c0dd88c2-51ef-4f4f-964c-f0254db970f7@default>
     [not found]         ` <<83zipqg3e3.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-10 17:18           ` Drew Adams
2016-07-11 18:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09  3:11 Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09  6:31 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09  7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 11:54   ` npostavs
2016-07-09 12:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 12:55       ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 13:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 13:48           ` Noam Postavsky
2016-07-09 14:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-12  3:26               ` npostavs
2016-07-12  5:20                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-09 14:34             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <<8360sehps4.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-09 14:54               ` Drew Adams
2016-07-09 15:09                 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-10 17:23                 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-17 14:19 ` bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD=<non-constant-expression> " Mauro Aranda
2023-10-17 14:29   ` Mauro Aranda
     [not found] <<<<CAM-tV-8cG3gLgf-A+wBYPZWNy2WPGFV3uEdNE7=ad3oq4rXmnw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found] ` <<<<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<<443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default>

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