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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: sbaugh@catern.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:06:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k2g9tzow.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8h6nwea.fsf@earth.catern.com> (sbaugh@catern.com)

> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 01:01:49 -0400
> 
> > One possible idea is to identify the programs that an environment
> > would like to depend on it (like the compiler), define a variable for
> > each one of them (compiler-program etc.), and then modify the
> > corresponding commands to use that variable, if bound to non-nil, in
> > preference to exec-path search.
> 
> The environment also matters, so you'd need to have a
> compiler-process-environment too.

Sometimes, yes.  But this is definitely for the project to set up.

> Note: The compile command already makes use of a compilation-environment
> variable.

Then we already do what you want, right?

> That would work, but again, it means updating the entire world to
> support this.

No, it means we need to make specific changes in specific primitives
and infrastructure functions.  Those which currently only look at
exec-path, and are involved in invoking development tools for which we
will want to provide this support.  E.g., "M-x compile" will be able
to invoke the compiler specified by the environment, "M-x gdb" will be
able to invoke the debugger specified by the environment, etc.

We could also have wrappers like call-compiler, call-debugger, etc.

> Also, if we're going to update the world: Perhaps just add
> buffer-local variables "local-exec-path" and
> "local-process-environment", and flags like
> "compile-use-local-environment" which if non-nil cause the relevant
> command, when invoked, to use the local-exec-path and
> local-process-environment variables from (current-buffer). That seems
> more natural to me.

But that's exactly the danger I think we should try to avoid: a Lisp
application doesn't have good control of when buffer-local bindings
will be in effect, because Emacs internals feel at liberty to
temporarily switch to any buffer when they feel like it.  These
buffer-local bindings will bite you when you don't expect.

That's why I think the environment should be only allowed to override
file names of a specific limited set of tools, not the entire
exec-path.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-07-25 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-14 21:36 Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.) sbaugh
2016-07-15 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-17 22:41   ` sbaugh
2016-07-18 10:15     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-07-18 14:46     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-18 19:13       ` sbaugh
2016-07-19 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24  3:35         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24  8:25           ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:08             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-21  0:32       ` sbaugh
2016-07-22 20:19         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-23  7:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24  3:26             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24  8:25               ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 14:28                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 17:45                   ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 17:58                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 19:05                       ` Spencer Baugh
2016-07-24 19:36                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  4:50                           ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28  0:47                               ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25  2:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  5:01                     ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-07-25  7:07                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 12:49                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:03                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 13:06                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:41                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-28  0:02                         ` sbaugh
2016-07-28  9:34                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-28 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 17:59                             ` sbaugh
2016-07-29 18:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 19:20                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30  6:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 14:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 15:56                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 20:57                                 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30  7:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 13:30                                     ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 16:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 11:24                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-29 18:42                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-29 19:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26  2:36                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 14:24               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25  0:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 17:00                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26  2:08                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-26  3:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 10:45                         ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-26 12:46                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 14:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-07-28 10:01 Spencer Baugh
     [not found] <87shuuvzz6.fsf@totally-fudged-out-message-id>
2016-07-28 10:08 ` Michael Albinus

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