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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, radon.neon@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:39:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k1pzci88.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <907edf27-ed0c-5166-88ea-c3db9d9d7f74@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:15:55 -0500)

> Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 09:15:55 -0500
> 
> On 07/13/2018 03:14 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > I find the summary line to be a nuisance in too many cases.
> 
> Although the summary line is sometimes a nuisance to write, when done
> well it is so useful that it's clearly a net win over our old way of
> doing things. Many Git user interfaces list only the summary lines, and
> for good reason: they let you quickly scan a list of commits looking for
> what happened in those commits. Writing a useful summary line is thus a
> real service to later developers, and is far more helpful than the file,
> function and variable names that the GNU coding standards currently
> require in ChangeLogs.
> 
> The primary UI that we promote on the web
> <http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git> lists just summary lines. I
> just now looked at the most recent ten summary lines in Emacs master,
> and eight of them seemed useful. The two I found less useful were
> "Unbreak bootstrap" (a motivation for the change, but not enough
> description) and "Fix Bug#32107" (likewise). It'd be helpful for us to
> encourage people to write commit messages with summary lines that are
> suitable for later readers.

All true.  Like I said: this is the price we pay for using Git and
related UIs instead of ChangeLog, where header lines were optional, to
be used where that really made sense (which was relatively rare).
With Git, they're mandatory, because if we don't use them, various
dependent features will not work well, or not at all.

Like almost every other feature, this one has its price.



  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-13 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 232+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-15  7:39 bug#28842: gnus-sync is missing Andreas Schwab
2017-12-09 19:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-10 11:37   ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-10 13:15     ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-10 13:41       ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-11 14:57         ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-11 15:40           ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-11 15:49             ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-11 15:51               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-12-11 22:37             ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-12 17:15               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-12 22:08                 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-12 23:41                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-15 21:26                     ` The name gnus-cloud.el Richard Stallman
2017-12-16 22:34                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-17 22:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-17 22:31                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-12-17 22:57                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-12-18 21:15                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-17 23:20                             ` Stephen Berman
2017-12-18 21:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-17 23:06                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-18  0:33                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-18  3:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-18 21:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-19  3:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-21 16:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-21 17:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-22 18:47                                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-22 18:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-22 19:20                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-23 14:58                                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-23 15:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-24 20:34                                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-25 16:06                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-25 22:27                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-12-26 19:40                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-10 13:16                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-12-24 20:34                                               ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-25 16:09                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-31 16:27                               ` Steinar Bang
2017-12-31 16:54                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-31 18:12                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2017-12-31 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-01  0:48                                       ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01  4:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-31 18:27                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-01  1:05                                       ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01  4:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-01 10:07                                           ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Steinar Bang
2018-01-01 10:59                                             ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Andreas Schwab
2018-01-01 21:40                                               ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01 11:00                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-01 21:37                                               ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01 11:06                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-01 21:36                                               ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01 21:59                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-01 22:42                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2018-01-01 22:04                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-01-01 22:45                                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-01-02  0:02                                                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-01-02  1:15                                             ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Richard Stallman
2018-01-02  8:06                                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-02  8:49                                                 ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-10 13:14                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-10 15:05                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-07-10 15:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-10 20:54                                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-10 23:04                                                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-11  3:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11  3:53                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-11  4:44                                                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-07-11  8:22                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 13:54                                                           ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support), Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support), Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support), " Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-11 15:42                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 16:09                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-11 17:13                                                                 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-07-11 22:50                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-11 23:04                                                                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-12 23:35                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-13 20:13                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2018-07-14  7:05                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 17:31                                                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-11 18:13                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 20:14                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-11 22:36                                                                   ` João Távora
2018-07-12  2:42                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12  9:04                                                                       ` João Távora
2018-07-12 13:48                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 16:26                                                                           ` João Távora
2018-07-12 16:38                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 16:47                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-12 16:59                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 16:40                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 16:56                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-12 17:01                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 19:37                                                                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-13  6:16                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 17:17                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 23:12                                                                                   ` João Távora
2018-07-13 18:47                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-14 17:36                                                                           ` [PATCH] New option to make C-x 4 a use file-less ChangeLog buffers (was Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support)) João Távora
2018-07-15  5:33                                                                             ` [PATCH] New option to make C-x 4 a use file-less ChangeLog buffers Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-15 10:41                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-15 14:11                                                                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-16  2:15                                                                             ` [PATCH] New option to make C-x 4 a use file-less ChangeLog buffers (was Re: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support)) Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 10:10                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-16 12:33                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 14:02                                                                                   ` João Távora
2018-07-16 15:44                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 18:00                                                                                       ` João Távora
2018-07-16 18:22                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-16 18:50                                                                                           ` João Távora
2018-07-16 21:09                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-21 10:45                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 15:50                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-16 23:02                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-21 10:42                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-21 13:02                                                                                   ` João Távora
2018-07-21 13:30                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-21 15:08                                                                                       ` João Távora
2018-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-08  1:10                                                                                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-10-08  1:31                                                                                             ` João Távora
2018-07-12 13:36                                                                     ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 15:53                                                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-12 16:00                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 16:48                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-12 17:03                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 20:01                                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-12 20:06                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 20:28                                                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13  3:46                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-13  8:18                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 12:16                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-13 13:07                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-07-13 15:29                                                                                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-07-13 15:49                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 16:40                                                                       ` João Távora
2018-07-12 16:59                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-12 23:33                                                                           ` João Távora
2018-07-13 18:55                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-13 19:45                                                                               ` João Távora
2018-07-13 20:33                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-11 17:08                                                           ` Radon Rosborough
2018-07-11 17:56                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-11 18:10                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 22:51                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-12 14:10                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-11 22:51                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-12 19:46                                                                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-12 23:03                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-12 23:39                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-11 18:25                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-12 17:03                                                               ` Radon Rosborough
2018-07-12 17:37                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13  4:33                                                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2018-07-13  8:14                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-13 14:15                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-13 14:39                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-07-13 16:39                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-07-13 23:11                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-07-14  6:58                                                                           ` Commit header lines (was: git history tracking across renames (and emacs support)) Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-14 16:09                                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-14 16:23                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-14 21:57                                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-12 19:42                                                               ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Ted Zlatanov
2018-07-13  6:16                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-02 16:15                                                 ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03  2:50                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-03  3:24                                                     ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 15:36                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03 18:20                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 18:56                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03 20:17                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 20:43                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03 22:02                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-04  3:33                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-04  5:00                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-04  6:39                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-04  8:03                                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-04 14:25                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-04 16:13                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-04 13:15                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-01-05  3:51                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 18:29                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-01-03 22:45                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-04 12:02                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-01-04 18:05                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 15:32                                                     ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-03 20:11                                                       ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Stefan Monnier
2018-01-03 16:42                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2018-01-04 11:46                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-03  3:08                                                 ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Richard Stallman
2018-01-03  3:28                                                   ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Stefan Monnier
2018-01-08  2:16                                                 ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Richard Stallman
2018-01-08  4:22                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-08 18:30                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-08 18:41                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-08 19:13                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-08 19:29                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-08 21:08                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-09  2:55                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-09  7:27                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-10  3:03                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-10  8:22                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-10 15:32                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-11 22:08                                                                   ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Stefan Monnier
2018-01-12  8:21                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13  2:33                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-13  5:13                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-13  8:31                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 10:31                                                                             ` Tim Landscheidt
2018-01-13 17:42                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-13 19:22                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 21:43                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-13 19:35                                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-13 19:42                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13 20:22                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-01-14  3:31                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-13  8:26                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-01-16  2:16                                                                 ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) (Was: The name gnus-cloud.el) Richard Stallman
2018-01-09  2:54                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-01-02 22:04                                               ` git history tracking across renames (and emacs support) Steinar Bang
2018-01-02  5:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-01-02 17:34                                           ` The name gnus-cloud.el Karl Fogel
2018-01-02 20:42                                           ` Chad Brown
2017-12-18 21:15                             ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-19  6:09                           ` John Wiegley
2017-12-19  7:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-21 16:51                             ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-19  9:09                       ` joakim

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