From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:23:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83k1nvqjd3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm9d9zs9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87efe75v02.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87sh2lu471.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87r2i4p2f8.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536474415 1643 195.159.176.226 (9 Sep 2018 06:26:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 06:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hw@adminart.net, spacibba@aol.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 09 08:26:51 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fytBL-0000Kd-4o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 08:26:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46255 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fytDR-0005Jd-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:29:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39710) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyt9v-00021g-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyt9u-00057I-3K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyt8a-0002yN-LB; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:24:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4323 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fyt8N-0008Dc-KH; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:23:54 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:07:02 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229548 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, > phillip.lord@russet.org.uk > Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:07:02 -0400 > > > BTW, I still don't see how anyone could move around efficiently when it > > requires to press ESC. Does it require a special keyboard? > > Nowadays, essentially all keyboards have an Alt key, so one never needs > to use ESC for cursor motion. For cursor motion, yes. There are still other keys where using ESC might prove necessary, e.g. if your window manager "eats up" some Alt-character sequences, and you cannot or won't disable that.