From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : view-remove-frame-by-deleting ignored? Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 19:04:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83k055av0n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <874jwevyx8.fsf@post.rwth-aachen.de> <87sfjx6frd.fsf@web.de> <87zge4vmfp.fsf@post.rwth-aachen.de> <87y1to23q1.fsf@dataswamp.org> <878rllhn9l.fsf@yahoo.com> <83tu49d2mp.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35259"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 18:11:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oieKM-0008u7-6P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 18:11:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59188 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oieKK-0000I5-Ig for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oieDF-00030U-Iv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oieDC-0005Ot-L6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:04:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=orBlBvNiTS755p2aeZLViALH280//qOv+bvNe+mnFT8=; b=dS36iwlXkWbI WanLjMcbJJZ0Va2HIW12T9afo84mw1SV3bSEP4TK5B/yNExF8P/TamOMlTjnzZLYie6FUYSxlVhRR K7j9cD7uEijSHIJcEBjiwjhHba9x1H7qzfRUKPp0PUwsnF4/lOMgBvoK1rAZpRHF/WZ5Iu7iuisQc PsG9X/fyEx/fV7ztq6TKrmHFODGtjKfRa8rKvDmaCmVSLtzZ8/Ls4aXYBx8UV+ACOR+dzV284t1oS M4Es11TgLrUclzFIo5PRotPCEPpUwTsqvD2UvJxCK9hM4lumqC1jxiodEgvOZPgpSqVv0cKxVMNA3 8JLWjsGUBcSxAWwpC8Vkjw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2241 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oieD6-0001Dn-Jk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:04:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:33:14 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139856 Archived-At: > From: Drew Adams > CC: Stefan Monnier > Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:33:14 +0000 > > > > > I generally use 26.3, as later releases > > > > broke too much for me. :-( > > > > > > Too bad. I see this a lot with Emacs users > > > as of late, where they pick some version of > > > Emacs that has not seen development in years > > > (or even decades) and stick to it, because > > > we break too much. > > > > FTR, in this particular case, our requests that > > Drew helps us debug the problem which caused him > > stick to 26.3 were met with refusal. > > That is _absolutely_ untrue. A completely unfair > characterization. It's fair and true. As you yourself describe: > I provided the info I could, with the time and > know-how I have available. Trying to track down > the problem in more detail is beyond me, as I've > explained. Exactly: once we asked for more effort than you were prepared to invest you said no. How is that not a refusal? You were told several times that you are the only one who can reproduce the problem, and you still declined to help more. So here we are today. > I'm not expecting Emacs development to cater to > my setup. Never have. I can't make good use of > Emacs after release 26, but I don't expect that > to change. Then please make a point of saying this when you mention that you stick to Emacs 26.3, lest people who aren't privy to the history of this don't fall into the trap of thinking we break stuff and don't bother fixing it. > For some reason Eli, you never miss an opportunity > to attack me personally. Too bad. It's actually the other way around.