From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 17:21:17 +0300 Message-ID: <83jztaas9u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <835y4ucrz3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qficgin.fsf@gnu.org> <9a94ddd5-328e-022a-2c5a-9d517dd4375d@gutov.dev> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13089"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 01 16:22:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qc52p-0003A0-P5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 16:22:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc51p-0007eY-AG; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 10:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc51n-0007eA-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 10:21:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qc51n-0002kC-Aq; Fri, 01 Sep 2023 10:21:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=zd8k8wMksjB2nFfdavNjqm/KTnXsboo3M25jcmhZzN4=; b=sETvfBIuln27 RiZEaCowIeb+L+0JfLBQKUE/5xYPZazDk9u3aPdt6BKw9IpMjubrz+u3ZJHlHrGH280Z7uRBPyPXL Z82MKsHrfmchRoxMX+L6oKmQieGV9RE4maCtRNI+YYaN2Sp7KBjpQr27hY6CNYx7tbgMaFYYgrEFV WzSKqwB+RvBg3k6q5qugkA22LtU4yiMLz+4W0SmGsacxhSTni7yoTBvsOMQR3dx5FSvzm4W5YRFUI NIkwFTipiEGW6S2lcpbbGWu7wMVrHb61rUlx1MWp5Dd6tLnYymdRpafWgo3pMfs2jbVvzTQYb1Xwj ahvf7BWzr+YbMjeG/pz7FA==; In-Reply-To: <9a94ddd5-328e-022a-2c5a-9d517dd4375d@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 1 Sep 2023 16:53:38 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309801 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 16:53:38 +0300 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 01/09/2023 13:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>>>> They don't > >>>>> think in terms of what is best for Emacs > >>>> What if they do? > >>> If they did, they would have agreed with us, or at least said they'd > >>> like to. > >> But we don't always agree between ourselves. Not on this subject anyway. > > Those disagreements are not relevant when the issue is the inclusion > > of a package in core. > > So... are you also going to claim that any author of a package who > doesn't want the inclusion of it (or some other package, or sets of > packages) in the core Emacs, necessarily "doesn't think in terms of what > is best for Emacs"? I agree with Richard: authors of packages don't necessarily think about what's best for Emacs as a whole, and that we shouldn't expect them to do so. They are responsible for the packages they develop, not for the development of Emacs as a whole. I don't understand why this is seen as some kind of negative or derogatory remark. It is just the consequence of the person's interests and responsibilities.