From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 18:42:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83jzt76z69.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0nlngmo.fsf@posteo.net> <2d6a9558-4a4f-47e8-9122-62c7665e5f73@app.fastmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3432"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, joaotavora@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, danny@dfreeman.email, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 17:43:30 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpG5-0000iC-UB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:43:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpFi-0003sN-Uu; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpFh-0003s1-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpFg-0002Qc-1F; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:43:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Vs0N9MDP8OREXFSRyOZnFvkcLteUUHvj6Qcb83A//NQ=; b=RIih3kVdmXpl xvdBLWzXkUSS2ZcCbA05smlQJ9dWrekpmHpq40Su7CoGbpxSp/5RNq8X/JsG+MUOtAaINgUX5qVU+ OZPKQ2Q3I5giz/iaKz0H7psC43duueA7VeqZcReNjJPAbi6UBnvnJNggGPfeZGo6darvO5ZIwa6SK 8bFAEAFXK4yVXaaCYbHcXbSSxfWVZ4eGk+0c6hvYxWGPsrjbq9YqmXQMv1FiZxsedPTOTJoisqDIX YRMS7HHLK/UucMo1iKEentksw5ii9MoCgmJFxybsAHo+v6CxuUYhLJy2eVcUIBtMtFlAESt8tyGn3 BKvC7gXJYMaOxTbw/Mu0Zg==; In-Reply-To: <2d6a9558-4a4f-47e8-9122-62c7665e5f73@app.fastmail.com> (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309989 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:04:32 +0200 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: "Richard Stallman" , "Danny Freeman" , > "Eli Zaretskii" , "Emacs Devel" , > "Manuel Uberti" > > Without an understanding of Clojure and its tooling ecosystem (and it's history) it's hard to > make good suggestions about what makes sense and what doesn't. I disagree with this assertion, and disagree in general, not just specifically wrt clojure-mode. One of the important jobs of an Emacs maintainer is to understand enough about any candidate feature to make this kind of decisions, without being an expert in its subject matter. Maybe I'm doing my job not well enough, but you seem to be saying that this job is impossible to do, and that the only people who can make good decisions about this are the experts on the subject matter. That is certainly incorrect. It doesn't take a genius to realize that Clojure is an important programming language, and the way to the decision of having it supported OOTB in Emacs is very short from there.