From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:45:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83iqalrpna.fsf@gnu.org> References: <27349166.post@talk.nabble.com> <83bpge50k5.fsf@gnu.org> <87vdem8gly.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87k4v1xm4l.fsf@gmail.com> <83sk9prvnd.fsf@gnu.org> <87k4v1vz5f.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264772791 26647 80.91.229.12 (29 Jan 2010 13:46:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul R Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 29 14:46:29 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NarB5-0002yc-Dn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:46:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60992 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NarB4-0004mK-UR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:46:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NarAz-0004mC-Sq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:46:21 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NarAv-0004lq-VW for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:46:21 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41673 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NarAv-0004ln-Py for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:46:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:57120) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NarAv-0004Ux-EV for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:46:17 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KX000M00GF6K700@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:45:12 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.180.161]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KX000LE9GVBSB60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:45:12 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87k4v1vz5f.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120654 Archived-At: > From: Paul R > Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 14:06:20 +0100 > Cc: Emacs-devel@gnu.org > > >> As many emacs youngsters, I feel that emacs really uses too much > >> home-made code. Surprisingly, Emacs does not benefit that much from > >> the free software ecosystem. > > Eli> That's a pretty general assessment. Any data points other than the > Eli> display engine? > > Emacs Lisp and all the librairies that emacs hackers had to implement on > top of it, IOW the 'emacs lisp standard library'. And what replacements do you see for that in the ``free software ecosystem''? Apart of replacing Lisp with another language, an endeavor that no one succeeded in to this day (although there were attempts, and one of them is even still alive), what else could be done to replace all that?