From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:36:25 +0200 Message-ID: <83iq8y1yrq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20100314093329.GA1362@muc.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268595395 933 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2010 19:36:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 14 20:36:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqtbw-0007Mn-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:36:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32819 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqtbv-0002VX-QF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:36:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqtbr-0002VS-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60588 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nqtbo-0002VK-W5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:36:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqtbn-0000Mq-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:36:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:51302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqtbn-0000Mm-8t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:36:19 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KZA00A00CCASH00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:36:17 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.173.249]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KZA008UUEGFDXA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:36:16 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121967 Archived-At: > From: James Cloos > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 14:02:40 -0400 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, > rms@gnu.org, Miles Bader > > The most important use of the scroll bar in a keyboard-controlable app > like Emacs is as a visual reference to the size of the buffer as compared > to the size of the visible window. > > That only works when it is near the text. Do you really need this indication so often as to make this a serious argument? > Most apps should have their vertical bar on the left in l2r locales and > right in r2l locales. Guess what? most apps I've seen don't change their scroll bar location no matter which directionality is the prevailing one in the current locale. And what is ``r2l locale'', anyway? Let's say I have on the same frame one buffer with prose in R2L script, and another buffer with a C or Lisp source -- do you want Emacs to display the scroll bar for each buffer on different sides? in the same frame?