From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:45:40 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ippusjej.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k4aaej7f.fsf@stupidchicken.com>
> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:13:40 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > What happens next is the redisplay engine realizes that the stop
> > position was missed, so it scans back to find the last "stop position"
> > preceding `E' (since there could be other text properties or overlays
> > in-between), and then handles it using the handlers in it_props[]; see
> > handle_stop_backwards for how this is done. Then it can deliver `E'
> > with the right attributes, and continue delivering all the successive
> > characters, until it crosses some "stop position" again, either going
> > forward or backward.
>
> Thanks for the explanation; I think I understand the problem. But if
> this is a fundamental limitation, that would be extremely disappointing.
> The use of HTML spans for bidi segmentation is (IIUC) fairly well-known,
> and character properties are the most straightforward analog in Emacs.
What's wrong with using the `display' property with a special value,
as I suggested a few mails ago? It _is_ a character property, isn't
it?
> Here's another rough idea: when handle_stop is computing the next stop
> position, it could call another function (analogous to compute_stop_pos)
> to find and record the boundary of the next bidi-segmenting character
> property---i.e. a "bidi stop position". Then the reordering function
> could look at this to help figure out the segmentation breaks, thus
> avoiding advancing past this position. Would something like that work?
Yes. But using the `display' property means fewer changes, because we
already look for it during bidi iteration, and because we do almost
the same as needed here to reorder display strings.
> > Amount of work is the least of my concerns in this regard. I'm
> > worried about the effect the temporarily incorrect display will have
> > on users.
>
> I don't recall the last time I ran into a problem with deferred
> font-lock. I seriously doubt this is a real issue.
??? Set jit-lock-defer-time to something like 2, then visit xdisp.c,
scroll, and watch the fun.
It's not a "problem", deferred font-lock is _supposed_ to work like
that. Except that what is tolerable for font-lock might not be for
display reordering.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-08-18 17:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 245+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-08-15 8:04 bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Andrey Paramonov
2011-08-15 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 9:24 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-15 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 10:46 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-15 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 11:27 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-15 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 12:56 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-15 13:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-15 14:18 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-15 16:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-15 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 18:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-17 20:34 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-18 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-22 6:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-22 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 8:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-23 18:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-23 19:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-24 6:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-24 9:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-24 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-24 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-25 4:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-25 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-26 3:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-26 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-27 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-27 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-28 2:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-28 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-29 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-25 10:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-22 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-22 21:35 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-23 1:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 9:58 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-23 15:29 ` use of `mouse-face' to delimit text zones [was: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default] Drew Adams
2011-08-23 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-23 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 18:45 ` use of `mouse-face' to delimit text zones Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-23 19:17 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-23 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 18:24 ` bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Stefan Monnier
2011-08-23 19:14 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-23 8:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 18:28 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-15 20:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 1:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-16 2:02 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-16 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 7:07 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-16 9:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 10:01 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-16 10:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 7:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-08-16 7:54 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-16 9:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 9:40 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-16 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 14:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-16 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 9:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-08-16 9:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-16 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 15:48 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-16 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 22:24 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-17 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-17 9:34 ` Juri Linkov
2011-08-17 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-17 22:32 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-18 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-18 17:13 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-18 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2011-08-18 22:44 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-19 3:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-19 7:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-19 20:00 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-20 8:14 ` bidi reordering in program source buffers (was: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default) Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-20 9:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-08-20 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-25 13:51 ` Ehud Karni
2011-08-25 17:28 ` bidi reordering in program source buffers Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-25 20:01 ` Ehud Karni
2011-08-25 21:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-19 19:29 ` bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Chong Yidong
2011-08-19 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-19 19:43 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-20 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-19 14:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-19 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-15 9:27 ` Andrey Paramonov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-16 10:02 Andrey Paramonov
2011-08-16 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-16 11:27 ` Andrey Paramonov
2011-07-28 17:21 Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-28 18:51 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-28 20:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-30 22:55 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 3:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 6:21 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 6:44 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 7:36 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 6:27 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 6:51 ` Werner LEMBERG
2011-07-31 7:59 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 9:15 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 9:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 10:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 10:35 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 13:23 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 11:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-31 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 13:25 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 13:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-31 13:54 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-31 14:26 ` David Kastrup
2011-07-31 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-01 1:14 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-01 2:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 2:39 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-03 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-01 15:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-03 2:56 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-03 18:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-03 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 5:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 6:55 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-04 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 6:11 ` Kenichi Handa
2011-08-09 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 10:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 13:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 14:04 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-04 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-04 16:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 17:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 3:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-05 5:46 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-05 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 8:00 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-04 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 3:41 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-08-05 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 17:56 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-05 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 18:45 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-05 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-05 21:54 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-06 2:01 ` Jason Rumney
2011-08-06 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-07 17:21 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-07 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 16:07 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-09 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 16:30 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-09 17:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 17:26 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-09 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-09 18:00 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-10 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2011-08-11 5:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-08-09 22:26 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-10 1:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10 1:14 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-10 4:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-10 16:07 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-10 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-10 16:52 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-10 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-11 2:45 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-10 3:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-10 13:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-10 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-10 3:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-10 5:36 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-10 13:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-17 22:21 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-17 22:25 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-17 23:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-18 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-18 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-10 19:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-10 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-09-10 19:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 15:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 16:16 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-06 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-06 19:21 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-07-31 13:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 15:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-02 16:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-02 16:42 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-02 16:48 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-02 18:27 ` James Cloos
2011-08-02 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-01 15:45 ` Chong Yidong
2011-08-01 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-01 20:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-02 5:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 7:20 ` David Kastrup
2011-08-02 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 10:27 ` Štěpán Němec
2011-08-02 11:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 13:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-02 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-02 17:35 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-02 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 3:04 ` محسن بنان
2011-08-03 5:11 ` James Cloos
2011-08-03 5:52 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-03 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 12:08 ` James Cloos
2011-08-03 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 13:06 ` James Cloos
2011-08-03 13:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 14:10 ` James Cloos
2011-08-03 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 17:20 ` Mohsen BANAN
2011-08-03 8:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-08-03 19:26 ` main
2011-08-02 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
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