From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Elisp terminology is deceptive Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:51:49 +0200 Message-ID: <83iofwsgre.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ppa4uaay.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422089528 31223 80.91.229.3 (24 Jan 2015 08:52:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: kelly@prtime.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 24 09:52:03 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YEwRj-0004SP-D5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:51:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEwRi-0002Hk-OA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:51:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEwRe-0002He-Th for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:51:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEwRZ-0002hZ-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:51:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout27.012.net.il ([80.179.55.183]:35243) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEwRY-0002hM-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:51:49 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout27.012.net.il by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NIO00100AECWT00@mtaout27.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:44:49 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout27.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NIO0044OAYPIE00@mtaout27.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Jan 2015 10:44:49 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87ppa4uaay.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181718 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:28:21 +0900 > Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > > > This "default-value" and "setq-default" dates back to the very > > > beginning of time, tho. > >=20 > > Would renaming them be acceptable, so long as the old names are > > kept as aliases for backward compatibility? I don't think the na= mes > > =E2=8C=9Cglobal-value=E2=8C=9D, =E2=8C=9Csetq-global=E2=8C=9D, a= nd =E2=8C=9Cset-global=E2=8C=9D would cause any > > confusion with any other concepts in Emacs, and they're unlikely= to > > conflict with anybody's custom code. >=20 > Please don't. Yes, please let's not. It's too late to introduce changes in that terminology.