From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recent commit modifying mark-whole-buffer (master/aeb613ea95b7970e66d663ec5cba54e9ec0528fa) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 15:41:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83inz0wprx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87lh3x4dkb.fsf@gnus.org> <83wpngx69z.fsf@gnu.org> <87fuu4bo3y.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1461933748 28802 80.91.229.3 (29 Apr 2016 12:42:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stephan.Mueller@microsoft.com To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 29 14:42:23 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7kT-0000u5-EF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:42:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54117 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7kP-0002JQ-Js for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:42:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7kF-000280-SC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:42:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7k4-0003nu-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50703) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7k4-0003nE-45; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:41:56 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4559 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aw7jy-0006Ar-0C; Fri, 29 Apr 2016 08:41:50 -0400 In-reply-to: <87fuu4bo3y.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:23:13 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:203413 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: Stephan Mueller , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 14:23:13 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The initial message in bug #21874 provides no rationale for the > > request (which seems to be a feature request, not a bug that needs to > > be fixed). So I'm not sure why we want to make such significant > > changes in behavior due to that bug report. > > I assumed it was an uncontroversial fix -- there are many commands that > work differently in the minibuffer exactly because we don't want to > include the prompt. Fix of what problem? I was saying that the problem is not clear to me? > > Do I understand correctly that the proposed change will disallow doing > > that, without some complicated operations that many users won't even > > know about? If so, I object. > > I don't quite follow. If you want to mark the prompt, there's a > gazillion ways of doing that, including `C-u C-a C-'. Or just hold > down `'. :-) Are we mis-communicating? I thought the suggestion on the table, to which I objected, was to make the prompt have a property that would preclude doing all these things. > (By the way, I think it would be nice if `' didn't enter the > prompt.) And I don't understand why you think so. We were allowed to do so for eons, why suddenly change that?