From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 13841@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#13841: 24.3.50; Regression - unreadable `C-h k' help
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:29:56 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83inyzngx7.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f6490f90-dac1-4e7f-bb98-34877820dcb6@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:20:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00))
> Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:20:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, larsi@gnus.org, 13841@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > If you don't mind the Lisp form, you shouldn't mind the byte-compiled
> > form, either.
>
> Excuse me, but this is sheer nonsense. I find it really
> hard to believe that you are saying such a thing, Eli.
> You who care so much about reasonably understandable
> messages and doc for users.
Lisp code is not documentation. I find it really hard to believe you
are saying such a thing, after filing so many bug reports about
unclear and unusable documentation.
> Emacs users often (perhaps usually) read straightforward
> Lisp code. They do not read byte-code (except for rare
> exceptions - perhaps).
They should read neither as documentation.
> Source code is intended to be read by humans. Compiled
> code, not so much.
But neither is documentation.
> > And if you cannot read bytecode, you can disassemble
> > it, then it should be as crystal-clear to you as the Emacs 23 vintage
> > result.
>
> Wunderbar. That's what you want to offer users, as
> opposed to fixing this bug.
No, I'm saying that we should not show code as documentation.
> > A more general solution is not to have lambda functions hang on keys
> > and mouse clicks.
>
> That's not a more general solution to aggressive/eager
> byte-compiling.
Yes, it is. If no code is show as documentation, aggressive/eager
byte-compiling will hurt no one.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-30 17:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-28 17:01 bug#13841: 24.3.50; Regression - unreadable `C-h k' help Drew Adams
2014-02-10 7:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-04-28 22:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-04-29 16:22 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-30 11:46 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-04-30 15:37 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-30 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-01 13:50 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-05-01 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-01 15:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-01 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-10-09 3:28 ` bug#20157: " Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-09 10:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-09 18:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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[not found] ` <<83wpnfnlf1.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-04-30 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-30 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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[not found] ` <<<83wpnfnlf1.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <<f6490f90-dac1-4e7f-bb98-34877820dcb6@default>
[not found] ` <<83inyzngx7.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-04-30 18:14 ` Drew Adams
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