From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30874: 27.0.50; Emacs crashes Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:00:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83in9ec7ro.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837eq7lzr4.fsf@gnu.org> <831sgencgb.fsf@gnu.org> <83woy4i7rz.fsf@gnu.org> <83vadoi2ia.fsf@gnu.org> <878taf2kj5.fsf@gmail.com> <83d0zqg8p8.fsf@gnu.org> <87o9ja230e.fsf@gmail.com> <83605ig2se.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu4m1tht.fsf@gmail.com> <878tae1nzu.fsf@gmail.com> <83lgeedxv7.fsf@gnu.org> <874ll128ww.fsf@gmail.com> <83efk3dvq0.fsf@gnu.org> <87po3mdfl8.fsf@gmail.com> <83sh8idd3p.fsf@gnu.org> <51y3ia173w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1522396808 13652 195.159.176.226 (30 Mar 2018 08:00:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30874@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, jsynacek@redhat.com To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 30 10:00:04 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1ox9-0003Sa-Nt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:00:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41532 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1ozD-0003Dr-EP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59179) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oz5-0003Cy-Mg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:02:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oz4-0004NP-Q5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:02:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:51421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oz4-0004NG-NB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oz4-0000Mg-DH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30874 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30874-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30874.15223968821358 (code B ref 30874); Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30874) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Mar 2018 08:01:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59318 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oyQ-0000Lq-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39525) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oyP-0000Ld-17 for 30874@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:01:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oyF-0003mP-5e for 30874@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:01:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oy2-0003if-9Z; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:00:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3864 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f1oy0-0008PO-7W; Fri, 30 Mar 2018 04:00:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <51y3ia173w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:10:27 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:144724 Archived-At: > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: Robert Pluim , 30874@debbugs.gnu.org, jsynacek@redhat.com > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:10:27 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Does harfbuzz require Cairo? If it does, that's unfortunate, because > > the Cairo rendering option currently has a few known and annoying > > redisplay bugs, which no one seems to be willing/capable of fixing. > > Jan mentioned this in the initial addition of cairo: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00795.html > > [...] it is just a step to keep up with the times, i.e. server side > (as in X11 server) rendering is going away as it seems. So Emacs must > at some point develop client side (cairo) rendering. Yes, we hoped Cairo will gradually take over the current defaults, but its problems must be fixed before we can do that.