From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 19:53:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83in8w1i4r.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d0z71985.fsf@gmail.com> <20180410164730086770438@bob.proulx.com> <20180411131107072594795@bob.proulx.com> <87r2nkq06a.fsf@gmail.com> <874lkgsc9m.fsf@gmail.com> <87d0z4e6xg.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523551901 7171 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 16:51:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 16:51:41 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 18:51:37 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fRd-0001eb-No for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 18:51:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fTk-00058Q-HF for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:53:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40264) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fSz-00057H-UR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:52:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fSw-0000XL-Qz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:52:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41372) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fSw-0000X3-N0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:52:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1595 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6fSw-0000Ch-4w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 12:52:54 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Yuri Khan on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:35:31 +0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116500 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 23:35:31 +0700 > Cc: help-gnu-emacs , > Stefan Monnier > > it makes intuitive sense for direction keys to move point in their > corresponding directions. Except that they don't, at least not always. (Yes, bidirectional text is tricky and confusing.)