From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: 20164@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#20164: 25.0.50; Do not tell users that `x-show-tip' is internal
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 17:20:53 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83imrffy2i.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ftmjrbsy.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:28:45 +0200)
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:28:45 +0200
> Cc: 20164@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>
> > The doc string says this:
> >
> > This is an internal function; Lisp code should call `tooltip-show'.
> >
> > Why? While it is true that you can get, using `tooltip-show', the
> > behavior of arg PARMS by binding `tooltip-frame-parameters', the behavior
> > of args DX and DY by binding `tooltip-x-offset' and `tooltip-y-offset',
> > and the behavior of arg TIMEOUT by binding `tooltip-hide-delay' (which is
> > not documented, BTW), you cannot the behavior of arg FRAME. And binding
> > user options is not really a great way to control the function behavior,
> > in general.
I wonder when we will stop wasting time and energy on hair-splitting
reports such as this one. Probably never. Sigh.
> I agree that the calling conventions for `x-show-tip' seems to be much
> nicer than `tooltip-show'.
If you do, please explain it to me, because the above arguments don't
convince me, certainly not that x-show-tip's API is "nicer". Maybe
I'm missing something.
Tooltips are about showing short hints about various elements of the
UI, they are not general-purpose tools for showing arbitrary text in
arbitrary places. And tooltip-show looks entirely reasonable and
adequate for the job as defined above.
It could be that someone tried to use tooltips as poor-man's child
frames, but we now have those as first-class objects, so any such
(ab)use would be unnecessary.
> > So `tooltip-show' is not really a user-level substitute for "internal"
> > `x-tooltip-show'.
> >
> > What's more, the doc of `tooltip-show' explicitly refers to how variable
> > `x-max-tooltip-size' affects the behavior. Why refer to that "internal"
> > variable? And if it is not "internal" then why does it have the prefix
> > `x-'? Why isn't there a `tooltip-max-size' option, corresponding to the
> > other `tooltip-*' options?
I don't remember why I added a reference to that variable when I
extended the doc string of tooltip-show in 2001(!), but I hope no one
will argue that it's important to know the displayed text might be
truncated.
> The commit that added the line about it being internal just says "doc
> fix",
Guilty as charged ;-)
> so I can only guess what the reason behind it was
No need for guessing; see the short discussion starting at
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-pretest-bug/2007-03/msg00261.html
The conclusion to take out of that discussion is that whoever uses
x-show-tip should know very well what they are doing, which is another
way of saying "kids, don't try that at home", a.k.a. "an internal
function".
> So perhaps the way forward here is to make `x-max-tooltip-size' an
> obsolete alias for a new variable `tooltip-max-size'? And add a way to
> specify the FRAME parameter somehow... but the calling convention for
> that function is kinda meh.
Before we do something like that, I'd like someone to explain why
would they need to call x-show-tip for showing a tooltip.
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Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-22 16:40 bug#20164: 25.0.50; Do not tell users that `x-show-tip' is internal Drew Adams
2019-08-02 12:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-02 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-08-02 18:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-02 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-02 15:38 ` Drew Adams
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