From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Feature branches review please (ivy hello) Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 16:10:19 +0200 Message-ID: <83imai8tkk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <234bba7f-fd5c-ed39-8a5e-8a6ce3125bf1@inventati.org> <86v9eibupz.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31694"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ohwoeowho@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 06 15:11:19 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2SU-00089j-Nq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 15:11:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50458 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2ST-00012V-Lo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:11:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49134) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2Rj-0000WN-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:10:33 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37495) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2Ri-00074C-3t; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:10:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1447 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kb2RZ-0004tj-7Y; Fri, 06 Nov 2020 09:10:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:56:45 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258816 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 08:56:45 -0500 > Cc: Oleh Krehel , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I have seen previous discussion about it entering main Emacs. > > Question: Why not? > > FWIW, here's my take on it: a package should be included in Emacs > if it's activated by default or if it's a library that's required by > many other packages. We didn't make such a decision, AFAIK, and as a matter of fact, a large part of what comes today with Emacs doesn't pass this test. A prerequisite for making such a decision would be to find a way of bundling ELPA packages into an Emacs tarball when preparing a release. We haven't yet found the way of doing that, although some discussions were held about what would that entail. Personally, I think promoting the above concept before the decision was made is something to avoid, because it sends the wrong message.