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Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pqB9C-0006ZL-H3; Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:11:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:30:41 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260457 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 13:30:41 +0300 > Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, 62720@debbugs.gnu.org, > joaotavora@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > From: Dmitry Gutov > > > Thanks, but this is not what was being discussed, AFAIU. What I said > > I'd agree to is to have package-update accept a prefix argument and > > heed package-install-upgrade-built-in (perhaps renamed), > > I think I explained in the previous email why reusing > package-install-upgrade-built-in doesn't seem like a good idea. And I thought I've explained why I didn't see a need for another option. > > and only then > > update built-in packages. > > I asked what plausible scenario you think might be broken by having > package-update upgrade builtin package by default. That's obvious: this is how package-update behaved until now. > > I also don't think I like the significant changes in package-update, > > nor understand why they are needed. > > Like I said: the changes are to avoid relying on package-install being > able to install a package that's already installed. Which currently > works only for builtins and when only a user option is set. It's a mess. > > And to "avoid interdependency". Why does this have to be in Emacs 29? It's a cleanup, right? > Just to be clear, we are talking about the 4 lines at the end, right? Yes, and also the (somewhat mysterious) additions of tests for pkg-desc.