From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64759: Broken faces Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:21:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83ila9qigb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86fs5h4vo2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fs5h1z38.fsf@gnu.org> <86bkg53cau.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86ilad1bhn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83r0p19q0r.fsf@gnu.org> <86tttxywxu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83o7k59kpv.fsf@gnu.org> <86h6pxyubj.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83lef99js7.fsf@gnu.org> <86351d5i22.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39114"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 64759@debbugs.gnu.org, maurooaranda@gmail.com To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 24 20:21:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0Bg-0009sq-N5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:21:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0B5-0003O8-ND; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0B4-0003N5-31 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0B3-0000HS-RL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0B3-0001lG-MT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64759 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64759-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64759.16902228326726 (code B ref 64759); Mon, 24 Jul 2023 18:21:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64759) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jul 2023 18:20:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0Aa-0001kQ-Co for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0AX-0001kC-P6 for 64759@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:20:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0AS-0008Q1-HO; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:20:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=K0OuxXI7nN7NiV+aJDBpjnOBUbY0zZTyVb07q+mAlyM=; b=Wlo1ZI4LLJU5 m9UfZrFMwfaHbdv5kZ0ZgVavANotAUWGCMLgmx9MjZ2YlrPUrvj0lpIrlzNCr/Ui4VwDfXxzhg6CJ 5YrI0jzs1y/6c12mYC4BAkrs2miiEjoZXP9mt0Wu+E/Vo0fDf8hafu2QmNUej93waEQaiNgy9OTq/ zw+2aM1/e6zxdyMRmdHcfFn3DAthQ4c4Tt2x4S9uHUy9pPslt9W2xi5jGYKtNALyMbLTbuvlLtoRX 0Eg8RkY2yLrmezMcOMT8dYiJLqYlzAx0PZtEeDad/Qtt1lNasR25Q6Ygdf6z6UCPXdzEfz0fGNvg2 3hX7CYPJJd3tt9xJGNBo4Q==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qO0AS-0002gd-15; Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:20:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <86351d5i22.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:35:17 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265996 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: maurooaranda@gmail.com, 64759@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 20:35:17 +0300 > > >> No, it's not the same. The latter uses a white background on the mode line. > > > > So I ask again: what is the semantics of nil in this case? We cannot > > have in Emacs something that triggers undefined behavior, let alone > > use it in our own sources. The semantics of this must be known and > > documented before we can use it. > > The semantics of nil could be the same as '((t nil)). And what is the semantics of '((t nil)) ? What attributes will the face have when realized? > Do you agree that currently the value '((t nil)) > should be used for faces without default face attributes? Yes, I think so. If no better face to inherit from is available in each such case, that is.