From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 18:47:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83il8r6yxo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <87r0nlngmo.fsf@posteo.net> <87msy8vq6m.fsf@gmail.com> <87jztcrg49.fsf@posteo.net> <87jztc6w42.fsf@gmail.com> <871qfjso94.fsf@gmail.com> <93acf4ed-dba2-46ed-b71e-9458a492e929@app.fastmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28755"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: kevin.legouguec@gmail.com, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, danny@dfreeman.email, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 17:48:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpLK-0007Dc-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:48:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpKi-0005l3-F5; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:48:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpKh-0005kV-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:48:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcpKf-0003nl-VM; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 11:48:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gK9GEtXUbFXURD9hLyWEuya7a7kf0hc2fJcyiqh/z+I=; b=LsAZmaaWjF8O fGD0auSx33WIAmkaZ8GRiTEEITZrCqTFE5nS+RwANbQ65CLL/hZQfWnbhS4iZ5c8Q+QqA12FLUYYf bRs2T3/vcMxHETgnyGa+BrguQ/ZUUDo1BSjQG8DM6hDDTnJqK9d/kOep17ou/wfbZgWX+VrUQTtBR cnz2rIqem47NR+uCl2Y6eXkNvYILtFlRYb521A9Bhc+72Hbbr2kc4dc9a2bUaPFj0bXIQ2h1ueEVM Io13VxmYsLw0ZxAfyCIPT9+FYJkM4rGQiWpPX4Zw1VgKEOVL5xgNXu+ikijJ/s14gxhS2crTsWqR4 v6tTRmJ2yyKzZPh7UiS7mA==; In-Reply-To: <93acf4ed-dba2-46ed-b71e-9458a492e929@app.fastmail.com> (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309992 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 17:09:03 +0200 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: "Philip Kaludercic" , > "Richard Stallman" , "Danny Freeman" , > "Eli Zaretskii" , "Emacs Devel" , > "Manuel Uberti" > > We're all on the same side supposedly (building a better Emacs and a stronger Emacs community), > yet such discussions feel very hostile to me. And the Emacs maintainers claim that I'm being hostile > to them. I can't see how the Emacs community will gain something useful out of such unpleasant > exchanges. The exchange (any exchange) has two sides, you know. > For me the net result so far is that I'd be less willing to engage in work with Emacs's > upstream, just because I don't like the tone of the conversations here and the implied accusations > that only the Emacs team knows what's best for the Emacs users. No one said that only the Emacs teams knows what's best for the _Emacs_users_. What I said was something different: that it's the prerogative and responsibility of the Emacs maintainers to decide what's best for the Emacs _core_project_, exactly as it's your prerogative and responsibility to decide what's best for the packages you develop and maintain. The fairness and the mutual respect should be on both sides, not just on one of them.