From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:24:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83ha8yism8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjmqalm2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390231460 10750 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2014 15:24:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 20 16:24:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Gi8-0005mj-9E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:24:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Gi7-0000g2-Rx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:24:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39243) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Ghz-0000er-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:24:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Ght-0001sL-0Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:24:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:38139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5Ghs-0001sB-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:24:08 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZP00D00HGSAF00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:25:15 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZP001VZHI39B80@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:25:15 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87zjmqalm2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168787 Archived-At: > From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:22:45 +0000 > > For what it is worth, I think Emacs could do with some considerable > improvement on the "self-documenting" front. A student of mine recently > asked about tutorials for Emacs. Of course, I said, it's got one > built-in, to which the response was that it was rubbish. > > So I went and looked at it for the first time in many years. I think he > has a point. Indeed. Volunteers are welcome to work on this. > Worse the first 200 lines are all about how to move the cursor; But let's be fair: the tutorial starts by saying that arrow keys and PgUp/PgDn are also supported. > If there is interest in incorporating it, I'd be willing to rewrite it. Please do, and thanks in advance.